IronTiger

The Chron's archives are gone! Crap! Anyway, so on the 249 store at Jones and Louetta, is http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=29.9978037&lon=-95.5824588&z=18&l=0&m=h'>this it? Also, the one on Katy Freeway at Echo Lane Shopping Center is now "Kroger of the Villages", and was renovated fairly late in the 1980s (looks a lot like Village Foods in Bryan, but not exactly--also a former AppleTree). The Health Department in downtown Bryan was an AppleTree at one time, too: ever so briefly.

I know when I was in high school, some jerk painted graffiti around the school, but it was removed somehow.

The other reason why total ridership is dropping is a matter of price. Right here, in front of me (in real life), I have a "Reduced 1 Zone Day Pass $1.00 All Zones" from March 19, 2004 (first day I rode DART in Dallas, Spring Break about nine years ago). But the current rate for Reduced is http://www.dart.org/fares/fares.asp'>$2.50 these days. Accounting for inflation, that would maybe be $1.50 at most. Where did the extra dollar come from?

I mean, look at Kingwood. It's not technically a "suburb" in the eyes of raw census data. Even though it's extremely suburban in nature (as it's an actual suburb that Houston absorbed in '96, natch) and a good ways from urban cores (car needed), Slick would classify them as hip, cool urbanites as they actually live in a large city. Comparatively, West University Place is full of vain, trashy suburbanites who suck the lifeblood out of cities.

OK, thoughts on the article? From a quick read, I'll tell you this much: it wasn't written by an American, which puts credibility in a questionable light. There are an awful lot of ambiguous "facts" being treated objectively, but I'm not going to detail them because you'll ignore what I write and put up some nonsense from other forums that "proves" your point. But I'll throw you a bone: Hey, guess what? Houston is one of them. See, unlike northern cities, which are hemmed in by natural boundaries, cities in the South can extend outward. Just because it's technically "Houston" doesn't mean "urban core".

New Jersey?

In DART's case, they need to halt construction of new lines and take a look at why LESS people are using the trains, even number-wise, not proportionally wise. Either way, someone needs to understand the prospect of diminishing returns. I'm thinking about buying another ELO album. When I got "Out of the Blue" in addition to "Time", my collection of ELO songs doubled (we assume an album has the same number of songs each time for the purposes of this demonstration, as well as the same cost). But then as I got "Eldorado", the song collection only increased by 50%, and by "A New World Record", even though it was a great album, only increased it by about 25%. It will go even lower when I buy "Discovery". And I'm aware of this. The problem is when DART builds stations, they are all quite expensive, but aren't getting better returns from it (as demonstrated by the albums). Furthermore, As it goes further out into the suburbs, that means that there's more stops, which are slower. And you're still paying the price for it. Suddenly, taking the toll lanes into the city makes a lot more sense, plus you actually have a car, which gives you a lot more freedom. You can't, for instance, stop at a store on the way home (discount stores and/or grocery stores) when you're riding a light rail.

Isn't it already double-decked in that area?

One of the things that DART has that Houston doesn't was conveniently abandoned railroad routes that could be utilized for light rail systems. Contrast Houston, which had several abandoned routes but utilized them as freeways and toll roads (Westpark Tollway, Katy Freeway), which given where they were, to what areas they connected, and other factors, were the most cost/usefulness effective. There are some bike paths that could've been used as light rail--the Columbia Tap Rail Trail comes to mind, for instance--but had it been converted to lightrail, it wouldn't have really useful--it connects to TSU but that's about it. The existing 2004 route is much more effective. Building underground may have technically worked--but it would've been enormously expensive (and Houston wouldn't have developed as well as it did) and it couldn't have gone underground in downtown due to the tunnels.

Generally, unless there's signs posted and/or swarms of security guards, you probably should be able to take a picture. And given that it didn't seem to reopen in winter 2012 as planned, I'm guessing that it's been abandoned once more. Besides, back in 2009-2010, didn't the Magic Island website redirect to the magician's personal website?

Here's my updated list as of June 20th. Unfortunately, I've forgotten what exactly I wanted to add, but here goes. I'm also tend to leave out some buildings that met their demise not because of construction directly, but from economic harm. Major sources (besides this thread): http://www.houstonfreeways.com/modern/2005-04-23_i10_row_clearance.aspx http://www.texasfreeway.com/houston/photos/i10w/i10_right-of-way.shtml The building demolition begins at Silber Road (some warehouse-looking things had been demolished in 2002 for the Helfman Dodge dealership, they weren't related). There was also a warehouse near Awty International School that had an industrial purpose (some rail can still be seen embedded in the parking lot), but that wasn't demolished and (even then?) incorporated into the school. From left to right (the road to the very far left is International Road, the road in the center is Antoine): - a strip mall, anchored by Continental Finer Foods (and later Memorial Grocery) - the building from this strip mall that WASN'T demolished. This is circled in blue, and is now (only?) a UPS store. - two buildings I don't know much about. - Wellesley Inn & Suites - three story hotel with pool - Private Self-Storage - largely still intact, still survives (under a different name, maybe?) - Holiday Inn - big and fancy one. 11 stories, according to a hotel directory I have at the time. It's address was 7787 Katy Freeway, the only such building on this list that I have an address for. - something that looks like a car dealership - large warehouse - Crown Plumbing - had storage units in the back? Partially demolished. - unknown gas station - southwest corner of Silber and I-10. The scars remain today. To the north you can see a bit from the original IKEA/old STØR. The demolition of the original store had nothing to do with the widening, IKEA wanted more parking and more store. This is just west of that. From left to right, but not counting the industrial building on the north side (marked with an X, I don't know what it was): - McDonald's - gray mansard roof, built late 1980s or early 1990s. No playground. - 59 Diner - cool looking local place, other locations in Houston - El Tiempo Cantina - very briefly, in 2001, it was "Dexter's", a restaurant which "detached" mentioned: this is seen in the background of this shot, though honestly I don't see how two letters hid behind that power pole. "matty1979" think it's Dixie's Roadhouse, but I think I see an R in there, and an E, not an I. Either way, it was El Tiemp when the building came down. - La Quinta Inn - well documented, two-level, motel style - Denny's - next to La Quinta Inn, of course - Whataburger - 24 hour location! - Memorial 1 Motorcars - warehouse looking thing - REI - Opened in the late 1990s, short lived The road to the very far left is Wirt Road. Next down the line is a picture I created a while back. The blue Xs were things I weren't sure were demolished because of Interstate 10 or not. That gas station had its canopy awfully close to the frontage road, and because of discrepancies in Google Earth aerial positioning, I can't tell if it was demolished because of the demo. By October 2005, it was already gone and replaced with a CVS (originally planned/opened as an Eckerd, maybe?), with the McDonald's abandoned (and everything to the east gone). The other blue X is an apartment complex. At the corner of Wirt and Katy Freeway is an office building, 1003 Wirt. It can be seen in this shot. Notice the blobs of asphalt where the railroad ran, in the lower left hand corner. After demolition, it appeared to be temporary buildings related to the construction. A little bit to the west of the last picture, here we have Bingle Road and Voss Road, the latter closest to the left. The two X marks to the left marked as "1" indicate the Westside Family YMCA, one of the buildings mentioned in the "source links" above. A tennis court and the original 1940s building was razed. About the time of demolition, it ceased being a YMCA and became Dad's Club Aquatic & Fitness Center, which had shared the space for decades prior. The pool in the back remains today. Number Two was the Key Credit building. This is from another source. Number Three are two more office buildings, which I don't know anything about. Number Four looked to be a bank and then torn down for a two-story building. This didn't look to be directly related to the highway expansion. Oh, and take note of the buildings in the lower left--they were demolished in 2008, which may or may not have been related indirectly to the widening. The houses on the now-defunct Bunningham Lane. Most of the backyards in the houses to the north have grown into mini-forests now, providing additional sound and visual blocks from the houses that survived. The roads that connected to Bunningham Lane are now cul-de-sacs. Some lots had already been cleared as of December 2002--acquisition of property and lot clearing had started as early as May 2001. Another cul-de-sac cleared (Bunningham Cir.), a loop of houses (Lariat?) and a strip mall. Ciro's Cibo Italiani (1) later moved. The strip mall's scars are still there, as well as the scars of that other building (2) just north of Ciro's. Here's what I know on the picture above. I had some things WRONG before, so here goes. I hope I've corrected everything. (1) appears to be a church of some sort, completely demolished. The parking lot is still around though and used as the Katy Freeway @ Anne stop (even though Anne St. was rerouted behind the former building). (2) appears to be the Spring Valley City Services today, this wasn't demolished. Hence no red. (3) was a coin collectors shop, at least until recently. (4) was not demolished and the front of it was chopped off. This appears to be St. James Furniture's former spot, not (6). (5) has a similar situation, the front building was demolished. This appears to be where Calico Corners actually was, not (3). (6) is unknown. (7) was an office building, looks like 9250 Katy Freeway, perhaps? (8) had the front chopped off. (9) is two buildings, they are gone. The road to the furthest left is Adkins Road. --- just east of Lowe's two office buildings (appear to be office buildings, at least) two buildings near Lowe's, possibly commercial BUNKER HILL ROAD most buildings between Witte Road and Bunker Hill were demolished, if not for the freeway (although some were), became part of a huge shopping center anchored by H-E-B and others WITTE ROAD two buildings between the apartment complex and Witte Road a few units of an apartment complex gas station at northeast corner of Gessner and I-10 (appears to have Citgo colors, according to the Houston Freeways page) GESSNER DRIVE Luther's Bar-B-Q - Thanks, TEC! part of a strip mall at the northwest corner of Gessner and I-10 (the strip mall was completely demolished later, though unrelated to the consruction) part of a storage-looking building just west of Conrad Sauer Road (rest of building intact) Bennigan's - just south of Chili's, which managed to survive BELTWAY 8 Igloo Manufacturing Facility - turned into retention pond, worth noting it was once connected to the MKT line via spur some buildings at the northeast corner of Biltmore and I-10 After this point, the only thing that appears to be razed for construction is some apartments near Sherwood Oaks - some units demolished, complex as a whole clipped ---END LIMITS OF WESTBOUND EXPANSION--- As for Eastbound demolitions (south side), there are some building changes (particularly a strip mall that was partially demolished, and then later demolished, plus some new restaurants), the main clearance starts at Wirt Road. gas station - though it looks like it could've been spared, on the west side of west side of Wirt Road. More pictures soon, and a more cleaned up list. Some of them I had forgotten the first time around. Finally, a word of note: although I feel bad at what was lost in the expansion (I get nostalgic just from looking at the pictures, even though I'm pretty sure I never drove out that way), I don't regret the freeway was built. All too often I hear whining about how the rail could've been used somehow, but the fact was, it couldn't. The only alternative would it be built in the median of the freeway (which it is in west Interstate 10, far west Interstate 10, that is), which would've necessitated even more ROW acquisitions then before. Practicality wins over nostalgia every time.

Here's my updated list. Unfortunately, I've forgotten what exactly I wanted to add, but here goes. I'm also tend to leave out some buildings that met their demise not because of construction directly, but from economic harm. Major sources (besides this thread): http://www.houstonfreeways.com/modern/2005-04-23_i10_row_clearance.aspx http://www.texasfreeway.com/houston/photos/i10w/i10_right-of-way.shtml The building demolition begins at Silber Road (some warehouse-looking things had been demolished in 2002 for the Helfman Dodge dealership, they weren't related). There was also a warehouse near Awty International School that had an industrial purpose (some rail can still be seen embedded in the parking lot), but that wasn't demolished and (even then?) incorporated into the school. From left to right (the road to the very far left is International Road, the road in the center is Antoine): - a strip mall, anchored by Continental Finer Foods (and later Memorial Grocery) - the building from this strip mall that WASN'T demolished. This is circled in blue, and is now (only?) a UPS store. - two buildings I don't know much about. - Wellesley Inn & Suites - three story hotel with pool - Private Self-Storage - largely still intact, still survives (under a different name, maybe?) - Holiday Inn - big and fancy one. 11 stories, according to a hotel directory I have at the time. It's address was 7787 Katy Freeway, the only such building on this list that I have an address for. - something that looks like a car dealership - large warehouse - Crown Plumbing - had storage units in the back? Partially demolished. - unknown gas station - southwest corner of Silber and I-10. The scars remain today. To the north you can see a bit from the original IKEA/old STØR. The demolition of the original store had nothing to do with the widening, IKEA wanted more parking and more store. This is just west of that. From left to right, but not counting the industrial building on the north side (marked with an X, I don't know what it was): - McDonald's - gray mansard roof, built late 1980s or early 1990s. No playground. - 59 Diner - cool looking local place, other locations in Houston - El Tiempo Cantina - very briefly, in 2001, it was "Dexter's"a restaurant which "detached" mentioned: this is seen in the background of this shot, though honestly I don't see how two letters hid behind that power pole - La Quinta Inn - well documented, two-level, motel style - Denny's - next to La Quinta Inn, of course - Whataburger - 24 hour location! - Memorial 1 Motorcars - warehouse looking thing - REI - Opened in the late 1990s, short lived The road to the very far left is Wirt Road. Next down the line is a picture I created a while back. The blue Xs were things I weren't sure were demolished because of Interstate 10 or not. That gas station had its canopy awfully close to the frontage road, and because of discrepancies in Google Earth aerial positioning, I can't tell if it was demolished because of the demo. By October 2005, it was already gone and replaced with a CVS (originally planned/opened as an Eckerd, maybe?), with the McDonald's abandoned (and everything to the east gone). The other blue X is an apartment complex. At the corner of Wirt and Katy Freeway is an office building, 1003 Wirt. It can be seen in this shot. Notice the blobs of asphalt where the railroad ran, in the lower left hand corner. After demolition, it appeared to be temporary buildings related to the construction. A little bit to the west of the last picture, here we have Bingle Road and Voss Road, the latter closest to the left. The two X marks to the left marked as "1" indicate the Westside Family YMCA, one of the buildings mentioned in the "source links" above. A tennis court and the original 1940s building was razed. About the time of demolition, it ceased being a YMCA and became Dad's Club Aquatic & Fitness Center, which had shared the space for decades prior. The pool in the back remains today. Number Two was the Key Credit building. This is from another source. Number Three are two more office buildings, which I don't know anything about. Number Four looked to be a bank and then torn down for a two-story building. This didn't look to be directly related to the highway expansion. The houses on the now-defunct Bunningham Lane. Most of the backyards in the houses to the north have grown into mini-forests now, providing additional sound and visual blocks from the houses that survived. The roads that connected to Bunningham Lane are now cul-de-sacs. Some lots had already been cleared as of December 2002--acquisition of property and lot clearing had started as early as May 2001. -- If heading west on I-10, looking out the right, this is the buildings demolished. After passing Wirt, you'll see these (major roads in capital letters). I know I'm missing stuff though in the lists below...at the southwest corner of Interstate 10 and Beltway 8, for instance, there was a garden center (seasonal?) and a long-abandoned building (Sage?) So here's the list from west of the pictures that I have so far: a cul-de-sac of houses that I don't know the name of Ciro's Cibo Italiani and the strip mall next to it CAMPBELL ROAD office building at northwest corner of Campbell and I-10 almost everything between Adkins and Anne is demolished, including office buildings, warehouse-like buildings, and St. James Furniture. Calico Corners is actually spared, though still moves out. just east of Lowe's two office buildings (appear to be office buildings, at least) two buildings near Lowe's, possibly commercial BUNKER HILL ROAD most buildings between Witte Road and Bunker Hill were demolished, if not for the freeway (although some were), became part of a huge shopping center anchored by H-E-B and others WITTE ROAD two buildings between the apartment complex and Witte Road a few units of an apartment complex gas station at northeast corner of Gessner and I-10 (appears to have Citgo colors, according to the Houston Freeways page) GESSNER DRIVE Luther's Bar-B-Q - Thanks, TEC! part of a strip mall at the northwest corner of Gessner and I-10 (the strip mall was completely demolished later, though unrelated to the consruction) part of a storage-looking building just west of Conrad Sauer Road (rest of building intact) Bennigan's - just south of Chili's, which managed to survive BELTWAY 8 Igloo Manufacturing Facility - turned into retention pond, worth noting it was once connected to the MKT line via spur some buildings at the northeast corner of Biltmore and I-10 After this point, the only thing that appears to be razed for construction is some apartments near Sherwood Oaks - some units demolished, complex as a whole clipped ---END LIMITS OF WESTBOUND EXPANSION--- As for Eastbound demolitions (south side), there are some building changes (particularly a strip mall that was partially demolished, and then later demolished, plus some new restaurants), the main clearance starts at Wirt Road. gas station - though it looks like it could've been spared, on the west side of west side of Wirt Road. More pictures soon, and a more cleaned up list. Some of them I had forgotten the first time around. Finally, a word of note: although I feel bad at what was lost in the expansion (I get nostalgic just from looking at the pictures, even though I'm pretty sure I never drove out that way), I don't regret the freeway was built. All too often I hear whining about how the rail could've been used somehow, but the fact was, it couldn't. The only alternative would it be built in the median of the freeway (which it is in west Interstate 10, far west Interstate 10, that is), which would've necessitated even more ROW acquisitions then before. Practicality wins over nostalgia every time.

That's part of the next image update. The old YMCA building (brown brick) was indeed torn down.

The Grand was supposed to be an outdoor mall anchored by department stores that were found in other malls (Foley's, Dillard's, etc.) But the recession happened and it was never built. The JCPenney is there, though, having moved from West Oaks.

There are no real tragedies of this list, I mean, I do enjoy older stoplights and the like that gives these types of things a certain feel, but RedScare is right. In the grand scheme of things, nothing was demolished that was a historic landmark. It did reflect a certain time in the lifespan of Houston, though, and thus invoke a bit of nostalgia, but nothing to lose to sleep over. Remember, though, that none of the buildings that were demolished were particularly old, all having dated from the 1980s. The purpose of this thread is not to blame TxDOT for demolition of all these buildings or to promote them as lost masterpieces that were too close to a freeway--it's a little side project that just catalogs what was demolished before it's completely forgotten.

Here's my updated list. Unfortunately, I've forgotten what exactly I wanted to add, but here goes. I'm also tend to leave out some buildings that met their demise not because of construction directly, but from economic harm. Major sources (besides this thread): http://www.houstonfreeways.com/modern/2005-04-23_i10_row_clearance.aspx http://www.texasfreeway.com/houston/photos/i10w/i10_right-of-way.shtml The building demolition begins at Silber Road (some warehouse-looking things had been demolished in 2002 for the Helfman Dodge dealership, they weren't related). There was also a warehouse near Awty International School that had an industrial purpose (some rail can still be seen embedded in the parking lot), but that wasn't demolished and (even then?) incorporated into the school. From left to right (the road to the very far left is International Road, the road in the center is Antoine): - a strip mall, anchored by Continental Finer Foods (and later Memorial Grocery) - the building from this strip mall that WASN'T demolished. This is circled in blue, and is now (only?) a UPS store. - two buildings I don't know much about. - Wellesley Inn & Suites - three story hotel with pool - Private Self-Storage - largely still intact, still survives (under a different name, maybe?) - Holiday Inn - big and fancy one. 11 stories, according to a hotel directory I have at the time. It's address was 7787 Katy Freeway, the only such building on this list that I have an address for. - something that looks like a car dealership - large warehouse - Crown Plumbing - had storage units in the back? Partially demolished. - unknown gas station - southwest corner of Silber and I-10. The scars remain today. To the north you can see a bit from the original IKEA/old STØR. The demolition of the original store had nothing to do with the widening, IKEA wanted more parking and more store. This is just west of that. From left to right, but not counting the industrial building on the north side (marked with an X, I don't know what it was): - McDonald's - gray mansard roof, built late 1980s or early 1990s. No playground. - 59 Diner - cool looking local place, other locations in Houston - Dexter's - a restaurant which "detached" mentioned: this is seen in the background of this shot, though TBH I don't see how two letters hid behind that power pole - La Quinta Inn - well documented, two-level, motel style - Denny's - next to La Quinta Inn, of course - Whataburger - 24 hour location! - Memorial 1 Motorcars - warehouse looking thing - REI - Opened in the late 1990s, short lived The road to the very far left is Wirt Road. Next down the line is a picture I created a while back. The blue Xs were things I weren't sure were demolished because of Interstate 10 or not. That gas station had its canopy awfully close to the frontage road, and because of discrepancies in Google Earth aerial positioning, I can't tell if it was demolished because of the demo. By October 2005, it was already gone and replaced with a CVS, with the McDonald's abandoned (and everything to the east gone). The other blue X is an apartment complex. At the corner of Wirt and Katy Freeway is an office building, 1003 Wirt. It can be seen in this shot. Notice the blobs of asphalt where the railroad ran, in the lower left hand corner. After demolition, it appeared to be temporary buildings related to the construction. -- While I don't have pictures for these, here are others down the road. I may be missing some. At Hunters Creek and the eastbound frontage, there appears to be a bank later demo'd for something else. This was not related to the construction. If heading west on I-10, looking out the right, this is the buildings demolished. After passing Wirt, you'll see these (major roads in capital letters). I know I'm missing stuff though in the lists below...at the southwest corner of Interstate 10 and Beltway 8, for instance, there was a garden center (seasonal?) and a long-abandoned building (Sage?) So here's the list from west of the pictures: two office buildings (or apartments?) to the east of the Key Credit Union building Key Credit Union Building (northeast corner of Bingle and I-10) BINGLE ROAD The original building of the Westside Family YMCA (renamed to Dad's Club Aquatic & Fitness Center) VOSS ROAD ALL the houses on Cunningham Street, including the road itself. a cul-de-sac of houses Ciro's Cibo Italiani and the strip mall next to it CAMPBELL ROAD office building at northwest corner of Campbell and I-10 almost everything between Adkins and Anne is demolished, including office buildings, warehouse-like buildings, and St. James Furniture. Calico Corners is actually spared, though still moves out. just east of Lowe's two office buildings (appear to be office buildings, at least) two buildings near Lowe's, possibly commercial BUNKER HILL ROAD most buildings between Witte Road and Bunker Hill were demolished, if not for the freeway (although some were), became part of a huge shopping center anchored by H-E-B and others WITTE ROAD two buildings between the apartment complex and Witte Road a few units of an apartment complex gas station at northeast corner of Gessner and I-10 (appears to have Citgo colors, according to the Houston Freeways page) GESSNER DRIVE Luther's Bar-B-Q - Thanks, TEC! part of a strip mall at the northwest corner of Gessner and I-10 (the strip mall was completely demolished later, though unrelated to the consruction) part of a storage-looking building just west of Conrad Sauer Road (rest of building intact) Bennigan's - just south of Chili's, which managed to survive BELTWAY 8 Igloo Manufacturing Facility - turned into retention pond, worth noting it was once connected to the MKT line via spur some buildings at the northeast corner of Biltmore and I-10 After this point, the only thing that appears to be razed for construction is some apartments near Sherwood Oaks - some units demolished, complex as a whole clipped ---END LIMITS OF WESTBOUND EXPANSION--- As for Eastbound demolitions (south side), there are some building changes (particularly a strip mall that was partially demolished, and then later demolished, plus some new restaurants), the main clearance starts at Wirt Road. gas station - though it looks like it could've been spared, on the west side of west side of Wirt Road. More pictures soon, and a more cleaned up list. Some of them I had forgotten the first time around. Finally, a word of note: although I feel bad at what was lost in the expansion (I get nostalgic just from looking at the pictures, even though I'm pretty sure I never drove out that way), I don't regret the freeway was built. All too often I hear whining about how the rail could've been used somehow, but the fact was, it couldn't. The only alternative would it be built in the median of the freeway (which it is in west Interstate 10, far west Interstate 10, that is), which would've necessitated even more ROW acquisitions then before.

In particularly grisly murders, they are in fact, torn down, but these are usually small houses. List's mansion wasn't torn down (until it burned down some ten-fifteen years later) probably because it was both huge (indoor swimming pool, anyone?) and the events surrounding List's death do not paint him as a sympathetic character, to put it lightly.

So I was a bit glum about the impending demolition of many places I've seen along the 290 corridor--I had published some awesome photos of McDonald's, Taco Bell, and Wendy's, which all sat near 290 and 8 (they have since been razed, I've been informed), and besides maybe a new list of "Things Demolished for the 290 Expansion", I read an article that http://impactnews.com/houston-metro/northwest-houston/hwy.-290-project-to-cause-future-business-displacement/'>gives off some numbers for displacement. Besides being depressed from that number, my ears perked up at the exact number of that. Perhaps there's records (beyond aerial photos, forum postings, and a few forum pages) of things that existed along Interstate 10?

IKEA bought the chain and STØR did convert to an IKEA...but in 2005, it was demolished for the current one we have now.

So Slick, why did you exclude park and ride from your list? That seems like you're skewing results already.

This is the third topic you've made today on this sub-board, and you're spamming it with irrelevant garbage.

Nothing to do with Houston T&T.

TL;DR, and just some copied and pasted garbage from Slick's anti-suburb agenda.

Not sure. A few months later (after Prudential), the same demo company (can't remember the name) did an 18-level hotel in College Station, except there the furniture was donated, the wiring stripped, etc. They even had it used by firemen and police officers as training. By the time was imploded, you could see through the building, because there was nothing there. Prudential probably was salvaged somehow.

We do, they're just set up differently and called toll roads.