Houston19514

Crescent Real Estate Equities does NOT own Bayou Place. They never have owned Bayou Place. The city "owns" Bayou Place and it is developed and operated by the Cordish Companies.

In a non-capitalist world, economic segregation is not an issue . . . because EVERYONE is poor ;-)

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OMG, I am so jealous. That made me long to be in Houston. It's paradise to me too.

^ and you slilely avoided answering my question(s)...

I would suggest you not get bent out of shape when somebody presents reasons for questioning the accuracy of a study. I am not, after all, the one who came into the room and started throwing out accusations "sour grape" postings, of being defensive about Dallas-Fort Worth's growth and not being able to appropriately "swallow" the "fact" that D-FW maybe, might, could possibly, have a population of 6,000,000 people.

Okay, why do I get called out for responding to posts calling me defensive and saying my posts are just sour grapes? What ever happened to a discussion where people actually respond to, question, challenge, rather than JUST throwing barbs. Is it too much to ask people to actually read and understand posts, so that they might intelligently question, or agree with conclusions reached? Why are we so afraid of a fact-based discussion. All I did was question the conclusions reached in a "study". I discussed at great length my reasons for doubting the conclusions, and nobody, not one person, has bothered to actually read and understand the analsyis and tell me where it is right or wrong. Instead I get attack, attack, attack.

That was great! I really loved no. 5.

It's hard to swallow for the reasons I explained in my post. To sum it up for you... it's hard to swallow because they don't back it up by giving any idea of how they came to their conclusion. It's also hard to swallow because it clearly contradicts the estimates put forth by the Census Bureau, as I demonstrated in rather great detail in my post. NOTHING in my post indicated I thougth that D-FW growth comes at the expense of Houston or that I in any way, shape, or form am defensive or bitter over D-FW's growth. I just saw some objectively recognizable flaws in the information being presented, and thought I would call it to everyone's attention. But objective facts seem to be increasinbly unpopular on this board. Why are you so defensive about an objective, fact-based, well-thought-out challenge to the alleged "facts" presented? As I said in my earlier posts, I invite correction to my analysis, but all I've gotten so far is whining that the analysis shouldn't even be undertaken. How dare I challenge the Dallas Business Journal! Further, maybe you are defensive about the possibility of D-FW reaching 6,000,000 population, but I'm certainly not. If you read my posts, you'll see that I happily predicted that they will probably achieve that milestone this year. For the record, the "study" was not conducted by the Dallas Business Journal, it was conducted by the Dallas-based School District Strategies L.L.C. You really do have a problem with reading comprehension don't you? And as to "why that is so hard to swallow," Let me go over this one more time: Try to read and follow along this time will you? We don't know what the "statistics" are based on because thy never tell us. Did they even start with census figures? What was their methodology? How did they (and by they I mean the consultants, not the "journalist") come up with their "estimate". In addition, as I said above (and have said in earlier posts as well) their conclusion is contradictory to the Census Bureau numbers.

The walkway is cool, but it's between the Law Building and the Beck Building, not between the parking garage and the Beck Building. I wouldn't mind seeing them tear down that parking garage, as long as whatever they replace it with addresses the street on a pedestrian level. That parking garage creates a bit of a psychological blockade to pedestrian activity, IMO.

That may have been your best post ever, 27. LOVE the song! Except, now I'll be humming it for the rest of the day.

Nice try, genius. Tell me this... if I stopped reading after I saw the headline, how is it that I quoted a number of "statistics" and other matters from the article. Maybe YOU should try reading beyond the first sentence? As to the "source"... did I say they didn't name a "source"? I don't think so. Yes, the "journalist" named a "source"... What I said was that we don't know what the "statistics" are based on because thy never tell us. Did they even start with census figures? What was their methodology? How did they (and by they I mean the consultants, not the "journalist") come up with their "estimate"? In the words of my post (which you quote, but apparently either didn't bother to read or were unable to comprehend) "we don't really know what the "statistics" in the article are based on. They never tell us."

Let me think... Oh yes, you could be in the TOP FIVE, or TOP TWO, or you could even be the TOP ONE.

I have never lived in Sherman. . . Just thought I'd throw that in.

Yes, that's Five Houston Center, with the former (or soon-to-be-former) Chevron Tower behind it. The shot appears to have been taken from in front of the GRB and Hilton Americas.

^ Have you managed to comprehend the contradiction between the consultant's numbers and the Census Bureau numbers yet?

Where are the sour grapes? Pardon me if I like to be factual and hold journalists and chambers of commerce to some standards. Maybe D-FW did reach a population of 6,000,000 in 2004, but there is no evidence of it given in that article beyond a mere statement by a Dallas consultant with NO backup or support. D-FW metro area is bigger than Houston and has been ever since Fort Worth was joined with Dallas by the Census Bureau. I hold no grudge against them for that, Good grief. And if it makes you happier, I would expect D-FW to reach 6,000,000 in 2005. There, are those sweet enough grapes for you?

First of all, we don't really know what the "statistics" in the article are based on. They never tell us. That would be red flag number one. Red Flag No. 2: They go on to compare apples to oranges. The article starts out talking about the 16-county area, i.e., the Combined Metropolitan Area. But then they pivot to pronounce that the Census Bureau figures show "Dallas-Fort Worth as the country's fifth-largest Metropolitan Statistical Area", based on the 2000 Census. That appears to be true, but that is comparing the DFW Metropolitan Statistical Area (a 12-county area, leaving out only the 117,698 people of Cook, Hood, Sommervelle, and Palo Pinto Counties). That compares to, for example, San Francisco without Napa, San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, Santa Cruz-Watsonville, Santa Rosa-Petaluma, and Vellejo-Fairfield; Washington DC without , among others, Baltimore; Boston without Manchester NH and Worcester. To say the least, it's rather misleading to have an article discussing the Combined Metroplitan Area population of D-FW and suddenly throw in a ranking of a different statistic altogether, without clarifying that you're doing so. Red Flag No. 3 and the most important flaw: The April 1, 2000 population of the D-FW Combined Metropolitan Area was 5,346,119. The latest Census Bureau estimate was for July 31, 2003, and it came to 5,707,368. That's a growth of 361,249. Now, the article does tell us (without giving a source or method for arriving at this estimate) that D-FW grew by 148,900 people in 2004. They never tell us what date their population estimate is for, so to be generous, I'll assume they are talking about Dec. 31, 2004. So, starting with their number of 6,014,465 for 2004 population, if we subtract their growth for 2004 (148,900) we get to a Dec 31 2003 population of 5,865,565. To get from the Census Bureau's July 31, 2003 estimate of 5,707,368 to their Dec. 31, 2003 estimate of 5,865,565 D-FW would have to have grown by 158,197 IN SIX MONTHS. Even this article doesn't suggest any such thing. (In fact they claim growth for the entirety of 2003 of only 146,400.) (If I have made any errors in my calculation, please point them out. I stand ready to be corrected.) Put another way, if the article is correct, D-FW would have grown in 1 1/2 years, nearly as much as it grew in the prior 3 1/3 years. Color me skeptical. I have no doubt that the D-FW Combined Metropolitan Area is getting close to 6,000,000, but I don't see any evidence, least of all in the information presented in this article, that it has already done so.

Patience, my dear... patience. ;-)

So, three of those would add up to $69 million, leaving the vast majority un-"blown". In any event, as the article stated, the money will be going into their endowment. It will not be "blown" on anything. With respect to tearing down the parking garage, and replacing it with the new building... That is one of the options, but I'm pretty sure no decision has been made. In fact, it would be very surprising if anything that specific were decided this early in the process. I would imagine the placement of the new building might be part of any architectural competition. I believe the musuem owns some other land adjacent to its facilities as well, but I don't remember exactly which parcels.

ESPNZone in Denver is in the Tabor Center (a complex somewhat similar to the Houston Center shops), not in LODO.

Am I the only one here who has access to the internet, or does it just seem like it? I've delayed posting an answer to this great mystery regarding what is included in the Houston metro area, thinking surely someone else could be bothered to actually do a TINY bit of research, rather than continuing what has become the usual practice on this board ... throwing up a post of what you think you heard or imagined you read about this or that, with no effort to confirm or provide a source for the information. According to the US Census Bureau, which you can find at Census.gov: The Houston Metropolitan Area consists of the following counties: Austin, Brazoria, Chambers, Fort Bend, Galveston, Harris, Liberty, Montgomery, San Jacinto, and Waller. There is also a new concept called the "Combined Metropolitan Area". For Houston that includes the above-listed counties plus Walker and Matagorda. According to the 2003 county estimates (the latest that have been released by the Census Bureau), Houston's Combined Metropolitan Area has 5,176,061 people. That's a 7.5% increase since 2000 (a greater rate of growth than Dallas-Fort Worth has experienced in that period). I'll come back later and explain why I am just a little skeptical of the posted article's claim that D-FW has reached 6 million.

They don't list a Chicago location on their website... Fox Sports Grill locations Do you know something they don't ;-) I wonder if you are thinking of a Fox Sports Sky Box, like the on in Terminal E at Bush Intercontinental. I think they are a completely different animal from the Fox Sports Grill.

Lowbrow and 27, Let me start with the definition of bigot: "a narrow-minded, prejudiced person." Now, I don't know about you, but the following statement is dripping with prejudice to me: "we just want to make sure the Woodlands isn't like the Stepford Wives. smile.gif We are a 30s couple with no kids and we just don't want to be the ONLY non-Republicans in our neighborhood. Moving to TX/Bush Country is scary enough right now. I don't mean this to offend anyone, we have lots of Republican friends." I compare this to the racial statements, because these are the very things racists have commonly used to excuse their racism (i.e., racial bigotry). So much so that the phrase "I'm not prejudiced, I have black friends" became something of a cliche and a sad joke. I have moved across country and to different metropolitan areas (and far different from each other than Kansas City is from Houston) and what I can tell you about how I function is this... I have never sent an inquiry to anyone about their area that starts out by insulting the area and basing my questions on prejudices and stereotypes. Maybe in fact they don't want to live in a place where the deed restrictions are overly restrictive, but that isn't what they asked now, is it? one other thing, 27, correct me if I'm wrong (and I apologize if my memory is faulty), but weren't you the one who was surprised to learn that George Bush Intercontinental (the 8th largest international gateway in the US) had ANY international flights? And weren't you also surprised to learn recently of the high regard in which Houston's theater district and museum district are held? And you are going to share your deep and intense knowledge of the Houston area with our friends from Kansas City?? ;-)