HtownWxBoy Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 We have passed Miami! http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories...tml?jst=b_ln_hlNext stop... Philly and DFW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 And we've got bad traffic, no mass transit, no zoning, and more people moving here each month than most American cities.Be prepared for a meltdown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 we jumped from 9th to 6th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 And we've got bad traffic, no mass transit, no zoning, and more people moving here each month than most American cities.Be prepared for a meltdown!We have traffic that is commensurate with our size, an excellent HOV system and a respectable bus system, plenty of room to grow, and no barriers to stop it.Be prepared for greatness!we jumped from 9th to 6th?7th to 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 How much bigger is DFW and Philly than us? I'm actually a little surprised that Philly is bigger. But then again, I've never been there. Bad perception I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Post-Katrina population surge Gee, lucky us! . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 How much bigger is DFW and Philly than us? I'm actually a little surprised that Philly is bigger. But then again, I've never been there. Bad perception I guess.DFW just barely broke through the 6,000,000 mark, so they are a little less than 1/2 million larger than Houston.Philly I don't have numbers for, but I would guess they are a little under 6,000,000, maybe 5.9 million. Houston will likely pass Philly by the 2010 census I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 This isn't that big of a deal, seeing that bigger doesn't mean better but i'm still glad to hear it. So i guess everyone can kind of stop sweating Atlanta passing us for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 we jumped from 9th to 6th?Houston is the 9th largest CMSA, or combined metro, which has not changed. I suspect this is what you're thinking of. This discussion is about the MSA rank, which has moved up to #6.Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 (edited) We have passed Miami! http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories...tml?jst=b_ln_hlNext stop... Philly and DFW!Philly is just a question of when, but DFW is still pulling away so it'd have to start growing faster before passing. Atlanta is still growing faster than either but they've got a lot of population to make up. By 2030 any of the 3 could be the largest, they all have the potential. I think Atlanta has the biggest opportunity to surprise IMO.Jason Edited March 24, 2007 by JasonDFW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Houston is the 9th largest CMSA, or combined metro, which has not changed. I suspect this is what you're thinking of. This discussion is about the MSA rank, which has moved up to #6.JasonI always get mixed up with this stuff. I wish someone would just have a map with different color outlines of what each one represents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Philly is at 5.8 million. Since 2000 we have gained 824,000, so I think by 2010 we might be slightly ahead of Philly. The problem with Atlanta is that whereas they are the undisputed capital of the Southeast, Houston and Dallas are the co-capitals of the South Central region, and thus tend to eat into each other's gains. What we really need to do is start pulling for Charlotte. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I suspect that international cities, such as Houston (port, oil, TMC), will do better long term. Atlanta, Chicago and Dallas are all strong domestic cities. If the global economy that we keep being told is the wave of the future is all that they claim it will be, the international cities should sustain stronger growth. That is not to say that Houston's population is not surpassed by Atlanta's, but overall it will be a strong and growing city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Plastic Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 6th most populated and we still can't get Madonna to come and perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 6th most populated and we still can't get Madonna to come and perform. Errrrhhhhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 6th most populated and we still can't get Madonna to come and perform. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I suspect that international cities, such as Houston (port, oil, TMC), will do better long term. Atlanta, Chicago and Dallas are all strong domestic cities. If the global economy that we keep being told is the wave of the future is all that they claim it will be, the international cities should sustain stronger growth. That is not to say that Houston's population is not surpassed by Atlanta's, but overall it will be a strong and growing city.I don't know if I'd call Chicago a "strong domestic city"... it has often been identified as one of America's three global cities (see Janet Abu-Lughod's book). Having lived there, I can tell you it feels much more international than Houston.Houston is more international than Dallas or Atlanta due to its being the world energy capital, but this could turn around and bite us... those cities are much more diversified than we are. The U.S. has very little oil compared to other areas of the globe. Right now what is keeping Houston ahead is that we have more scientific expertise. But that gap is narrowing... when that expertise develops abroad, what will happen to Houston? Because you know, Detroit was a pretty thriving city when we dominated the auto industry... and Pittsburgh was thriving when we controlled the steel industry.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I have heard that the energy/gas business in Houston takes up 47% of Houston's economy. I doubt that it was less than 50% for Detroit's auto industry and Pittsburgh's steel industry. Plus, the only companies of real importance in Atlanta are Turner Broadcasting, Home Depot, and Delta. They aren't as large as Houston's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Philly is just a question of when, but DFW is still pulling away so it'd have to start growing faster before passing. JasonNot so fast there, Jason ;-) I believe Houston gained on DFW in the 2005-2006 period, by about 75,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 6th most populated and we still can't get Madonna to come and perform.And really now ... does it really matter who is 'bigger'...?Just as long as it gets the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) I don't know if I'd call Chicago a "strong domestic city"... it has often been identified as one of America's three global cities (see Janet Abu-Lughod's book). Having lived there, I can tell you it feels much more international than Houston.Houston is more international than Dallas or Atlanta due to its being the world energy capital, but this could turn around and bite us... those cities are much more diversified than we are. The U.S. has very little oil compared to other areas of the globe. Right now what is keeping Houston ahead is that we have more scientific expertise. But that gap is narrowing... when that expertise develops abroad, what will happen to Houston? Because you know, Detroit was a pretty thriving city when we dominated the auto industry... and Pittsburgh was thriving when we controlled the steel industry....Any city with narrow streets, brownstones and a subway "feels" international. I am talking about the economy, and a quick glance at Chicago's economy shows a heavy domestic influence. As for the oil concentration biting us, the US still consumes one quarter of the world's oil, and it has to enter the US somewhere, and largely it enters and is refined in Houston. As manufacturing is shipped offshore, those refined goods come back to the US through our port.As I said before, these are not guarantees. However, IF you believe the globalization gurus, Houston is better positioned to take advantage. And, there is nothing wrong with being strong in domestic commerce in the world's largest economy. I was just pointing out that Houston's 3 largest sectors, oil, port and medicine, all have global components, whereas Chicago's insurance, livestock, grain and pharmaceutical industries are much more domestic in nature.BTW, Trae, you left out a couple of podunk Atlanta companies, Coca-Cola and RJ Reynolds. Edited March 25, 2007 by RedScare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 6th most populated and we still can't get Madonna to come and perform.i've seen her twice here that i can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) Any city with narrow streets, brownstones and a subway "feels" international. I am talking about the economy, and a quick glance at Chicago's economy shows a heavy domestic influence. As for the oil concentration biting us, the US still consumes one quarter of the world's oil, and it has to enter the US somewhere, and largely it enters and is refined in Houston. As manufacturing is shipped offshore, those refined goods come back to the US through our port.As I said before, these are not guarantees. However, IF you believe the globalization gurus, Houston is better positioned to take advantage. And, there is nothing wrong with being strong in domestic commerce in the world's largest economy. I was just pointing out that Houston's 3 largest sectors, oil, port and medicine, all have global components, whereas Chicago's insurance, livestock, grain and pharmaceutical industries are much more domestic in nature.BTW, Trae, you left out a couple of podunk Atlanta companies, Coca-Cola and RJ Reynolds.I wasn't referring to narrow streets, brownstones, and a subway when I talked about Chicago's international feel. St. Louis has all those things, and doesn't feel international. There are simply, on any given day, a lot more people in Chicago who aren't from the U.S. than in Houston, and I'm not just talking about tourism. Live there for three years, go to events there, and you will understand what I mean.I would venture to say that the four industries you mentioned for Chicago make up a much smaller portion of their economy than the major Houston industries (oil, port, and medicine). They are a city that any corporation might locate to that wants to have a global reach (like Boeing). They are not as tied to their foundation industries as we are. Their intellectual capital trumps ours. Their marketing expertise trumps ours (heck, Dallas trumps us in this category). There is a certain "critical mass" of money, talent, and international profile they have that makes them a much bigger draw to those companies that don't have to be in a certain city.Keep in mind also that, when you take away Houston's exploration and drilling expertise and fall back on just our importation and refining, you have basically reduced petroleum to a domestic industry for us. So my comment on our status as "global energy capital" stands - all that is keeping us in the lead is our talent edge, and our lead is decreasing in this area. More than half of the students who received Ph.D.'s in American universities last year were foreign nationals. Texas A&M has by far the nation's largest Petroleum Engineering department, and 2/3 of the grad students over there barely even speak English. I have mixed feelings about energy as we look ahead in this century. Edited March 25, 2007 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Economy, dude, economy. Looking around you and seeing foreign nationals does not make you an international city in the business sense. And moving 400 Boeing employees to Chicago did not make it an aerospace city, not when 70,000 remain in Seattle building the jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 What is the difference between metropolitan city area and city size because I thought Houston was the fourth largest in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Economy, dude, economy. Looking around you and seeing foreign nationals does not make you an international city in the business sense. And moving 400 Boeing employees to Chicago did not make it an aerospace city, not when 70,000 remain in Seattle building the jets.Fine, if you won't trust me, let's look at economy then. Chicago's is over twice as big as Houston's. I didn't say Boeing made Chicago an aerospace city, I used it as an example of how Chicago can attract corporations that want a global reach, and don't have to be in a particular place. Are you reading, or just skimming?Sorry RedScare, but the statement that Chicago is a "strong domestic city" whereas Houston is an "international city" sounds ridiculous to anyone who knows about the two places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Fine, if you won't trust me, let's look at economy then. Chicago's is over twice as big as Houston's. I didn't say Boeing made Chicago an aerospace city, I used it as an example of how Chicago can attract corporations that want a global reach, and don't have to be in a particular place. Are you reading, or just skimming?Sorry RedScare, but the statement that Chicago is a "strong domestic city" whereas Houston is an "international city" sounds ridiculous to anyone who knows about the two places.Yeah, I'm reading. I read that you don't once list an industry or corporation (other than Boeing's HQ) that supports your generalized PERCEPTION of the city. That's fine, though. I gave my opinion, and backed it up with examples. I'm not the least bit surprised that someone on this forum has a knee jerk reaction to something rather than actually LOOK IT UP. Frankly, you don't even understand the point I was making in the first place, which makes me wonder why I am wasting keystrokes on this thread. How about I just drop it and you can have this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Plastic Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I toight Detroit and Boston were far ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Chicago is way more international than Houston. That is pretty damn obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
713 To 214 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Sorry RedScare, but the statement that Chicago is a "strong domestic city" whereas Houston is an "international city" sounds ridiculous to anyone who knows about the two places.Ridiculous and laughable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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