Tumbleweed_Tx Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Houston19514 said: Hey guys, how is Southwest going to provide service to IAH when United is blocking growth of other airlines and keeping American from getting its planes to the terminal? They will probably fly into Terminal A like the other Non-United airlines- you know, the GOOD airlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Tumbleweed_Tx said: They will probably fly into Terminal A like the other Non-United airlines- you know, the GOOD airlines. i know they will fly into terminal A. But we have been told that American and others have trouble finding a gate to dock their planes at Terminal A because United is squatting on the gates and blocking growth of the other airlines. If American and Alaska can’t figure out how to work around United’s alleged blockade, how is Southwest going to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Because it isn't 2018. Because the entire industry has shrunk by over half. Because travel isn't predicted to return to normal until the end of 2021 and that's if there's a vaccine. Southwest's answer is to try and stimulate O&D in existing markets by serving alternative airports (IAH and ORD) and expanding service to the few vacation destinations Americans can travel to (PSP, MIA, and Mexico). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, KinkaidAlum said: Because it isn't 2018. Because the entire industry has shrunk by over half. Because travel isn't predicted to return to normal until the end of 2021 and that's if there's a vaccine. Southwest's answer is to try and stimulate O&D in existing markets by serving alternative airports (IAH and ORD) and expanding service to the few vacation destinations Americans can travel to (PSP, MIA, and Mexico). they still have to get access to gates and if United was squatting on them ... I doubt United has released any gates as a result of COVID. Have any other airlines left Terminal A or permanently reduced service? Edited October 18, 2020 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Southwest is going to operate out of Gate A3 at Bush Intercontinental. They will have 3 aircraft parking positions at the Gate. Edited November 30, 2020 by Houston19514 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Can somebody explain to me the benefit of having one gate and two or three destinations from IAH when all your resources, planes, mechanics, operations are out of HOU? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it's great to have more traffic at IAH but from a business perspective, nobody thinks Southwest and IAH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.33 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 @wxman Here are my thoughts on the matter. SWA would not being doing this if it weren't for COVID. They have slashed their schedule and they have empty planes and crew that needs to be on planes. Southwest is looking into how they can utilize their planes and crew in effective ways that won't burn cash at alarming rates. If that means they can start IAH operations (in addition to HOU) by using aircraft that would've been parked with crew that needs hours, and at the end of the day could even possibly turn a small profit or just break even; then they'll pounce on it. Also, Southwest might see a weakness from United's standpoint. They see an opportunity to take marketshare away from UA without UA really putting up a fight. Does it seem practical in the long run? Probably not, but COVID has changed the airline industry and things that would not have seem normal a year ago, might makes sense today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 there are smaller markets that are served by IAH but not Hobby, and vice versa. Southwest wants to capitalize on those passengers who need to go from say Chiraq to Marfa... You catch a SW flight from Chiraq, fly to IAH, the catch AreJay's charter service at IAH to Marfa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 18 hours ago, wxman said: Can somebody explain to me the benefit of having one gate and two or three destinations from IAH when all your resources, planes, mechanics, operations are out of HOU? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it's great to have more traffic at IAH but from a business perspective, nobody thinks Southwest and IAH. They are effectively going to have three gates. Three aircraft parking/boarding positions at "Gate A3". 12 hours ago, Justin Welling said: @wxman Here are my thoughts on the matter. SWA would not being doing this if it weren't for COVID. They have slashed their schedule and they have empty planes and crew that needs to be on planes. Southwest is looking into how they can utilize their planes and crew in effective ways that won't burn cash at alarming rates. If that means they can start IAH operations (in addition to HOU) by using aircraft that would've been parked with crew that needs hours, and at the end of the day could even possibly turn a small profit or just break even; then they'll pounce on it. Also, Southwest might see a weakness from United's standpoint. They see an opportunity to take marketshare away from UA without UA really putting up a fight. Does it seem practical in the long run? Probably not, but COVID has changed the airline industry and things that would not have seem normal a year ago, might makes sense today. Mostly correct, but Southwest's return to IAH was merely accelerated by COVID. It was already in their long-term plans before COVID. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Hearing that Southwest will launch from the A3 gates. Pretty skeptical of this rumor considering there are no jetways at A3. I guess it's possible that UA is giving up A3 and that will be the site of first construction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefmonkey Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Houston19514 said: They are effectively going to have three gates. Three aircraft parking/boarding positions at "Gate A3". Mostly correct, but Southwest's return to IAH was merely accelerated by COVID. It was already in their long-term plans before COVID. What was SW's reason for leaving IAH in the first place? I remember going to SMU in the 90s, it was really handy having SW flying between IAH and LUV since my parents lived in the Champions area. It would have been hell to have to schlep out to DFW or HOU when I was just coming home for a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLWM8609 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Reefmonkey said: What was SW's reason for leaving IAH in the first place? From 2005... https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=309083 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.33 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I agree @wilcal That section of terminal A doesn't see a lot of love to begin with, so I would be happy to see WN utilize the space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 hours ago, wilcal said: Hearing that Southwest will launch from the A3 gates. Pretty skeptical of this rumor considering there are no jetways at A3. I guess it's possible that UA is giving up A3 and that will be the site of first construction. It's not a rumor. It's a fact. City Council approved the lease agreement. And where are you seeing that will be the site of first construction? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonBoy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Has Ethiopian Airlines ended service to Houston? Wikipedia (I know, I know) no longer lists Ethiopian as flying to Houston via Lomé. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 It appears they are not currently operating from Houston because of the pandemic, but I don't think they've pulled out permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Houston19514 said: It's not a rumor. It's a fact. City Council approved the lease agreement. And where are you seeing that will be the site of first construction? I think not. I was just conjecturing. Is Southwest planning on having all passengers use stairs, then? Also, does that mean UA has stopped services at A? I missed that there was a lease signed. Was there a starting date announced for the lease? Edited December 4, 2020 by wilcal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, wilcal said: I was just conjecturing. Is Southwest planning on having all passengers use stairs, then? Also, does that mean UA has stopped services at A? I missed that there was a lease signed. Was there a starting date announced for the lease? Yes, Southwest's passengers will board via stairs. United returned A3 to the airport some time ago (around a year ago,I believe). AFAIK, they still use their other gates in A. I didn't notice a start date for the lease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Houston19514 said: Yes, Southwest's passengers will board via stairs. United returned A3 to the airport some time ago (around a year ago,I believe). AFAIK, they still use their other gates in A. I didn't notice a start date for the lease. Very interesting. Thanks for the update! I guess the United bus to Beaumont is truly dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I just took a quick look at the flight schedules from Bush Airport for today and can confirm that United is still using their remaining gates in Terminal A. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, wilcal said: Very interesting. Thanks for the update! I guess the United bus to Beaumont is truly dead This is very much intended to be a "temporary" location and situation for Southwest, pending the upcoming renewal and expansion of Terminal A. And FWIW, I'm pretty sure the first expansion will be on the southeast side of Terminal A. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Southwest announced service! Starts 4/12 or 4/19 depending on route Chicago (Midway) Dallas (Love) Denver Nashville New Orleans Edited December 10, 2020 by wilcal 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) More detail: Chicago (Midway): Two flights each way Dallas (Love Field): Six flights each way Denver: Three flights each way Nashville: Three flights each way New Orleans: Four flights each way For a total of 18 flights per day (and 18 arrivals) and all 5 routes start on April 12. Edited December 10, 2020 by Houston19514 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 16 hours ago, Houston19514 said: and all 5 routes start on April 12. When I was looking at their website after they announced several weren't for sale until April 19. It is showing 12th for all now. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Buried in an attachment to a City Council Agenda item regarding the Terminal Redevelopment Program at Bush Intercontinental: " By mid-Summer this year, design will have been completed and construction will be fully underway." To remind everyone of what the project includes: Constructing a new 11-gate concourse on the northside of Terminal B, becoming the “New Terminal C North” (project already completed by United Airlines); demolition (already completed) and replacement of the “Old Terminal C North” pier with a new Terminal D-West pier, renovation of the existing D Terminal, and integrating the Terminal D-West pier and D Terminal into a new single common-use north gate complex; expansion, modernization, and reconfiguration of the Federal Inspection Services (FIS) facility to improve baggage handling systems; constructing a new centralized international ticketing hall and centralized international security checkpoint; improving the meeter/greeter hall, and increasing the passenger roadway and curbside drop off/pickup capacity. ITRP also provides for the completion of various Program-supporting enabling projects such as utilities infrastructure and terminal roadways. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Did Houston permanently lose any routes or airlines during this pandemic? I see Houston no longer has a direct to Sydney. That's the one that stick out to me the most since I've been on that flight several times. Any others? Are they coming back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonBoy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, wxman said: Did Houston permanently lose any routes or airlines during this pandemic? I see Houston no longer has a direct to Sydney. That's the one that stick out to me the most since I've been on that flight several times. Any others? Are they coming back? I think that's a temporary suspension along with Ethiopian Airlines 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcal Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Sun Country announced new service from IAH today. Destinations: CUN MSP LAS LAX https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2021/01/25/sun-country-airlines-announces-16-new-routes.html Edited January 25, 2021 by wilcal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, wilcal said: Sun Country announced new service from IAH today. Destinations: CUN MSP LAS LAX https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2021/01/25/sun-country-airlines-announces-16-new-routes.html Wow! I remember flying Some Country (is where your baggage ends up) in the early 90s to MSP. Like a Greyhound with wings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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