cloud713 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Don't blame the Doubletree for that parking garage. It was built for the Heritage Plaza office building. is that the garage another tower could be built on though? Allen Center could eventually have 6-7 buildings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 is that the garage another tower could be built on though? Allen Center could eventually have 6-7 buildings?Nope. I believe that is the massive Allen Center garage. Allen Center has plans/rom for three additional toeers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodl Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Now why would you think Chevron would move its HQ from anti-oil, high corporate tax CA to business friendly TX?Why indeed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowerSpotter Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Nope. I believe that is the massive Allen Center garage. Allen Center has plans/rom for three additional toeers. So you are saying they are planning on adding 3 towers or that they just have room for 3 more towers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 So you are saying they are planning on adding 3 towers or that they just have room for 3 more towers.If you check out this Brookfield link it list the three possible sites for 3 highrises.http://brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/portfolio/development-8943.htmlThey are:Five Allen CenterAllen Center Clay Street1500 Smith StreetThey all say Pre-development phase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston? Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 When a building is in pre-development stage, how likely will it get built? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowerSpotter Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 If you check out this Brookfield link it list the three possible sites for 3 highrises.http://brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/portfolio/development-8943.htmlThey are:Five Allen CenterAllen Center Clay Street1500 Smith StreetThey all say Pre-development phase. Wow great news, although I hope they come out with a captivating design for these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChannelTwoNews Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 If you check out this Brookfield link it list the three possible sites for 3 highrises.http://brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/portfolio/development-8943.htmlThey are:Five Allen CenterAllen Center Clay Street1500 Smith StreetThey all say Pre-development phase. Not to be too much of a downer, but I'm pretty certain those locations been in "pre-development" for an extended period of time. Maybe 5+ years, if not more... Definitely remember rumblings about 1500 Smith since before the last recession, and I'm pretty certain there was a thread around here at one point where we were all trying to pin down where they'd have the room to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Not to be too much of a downer, but I'm pretty certain those locations been in "pre-development" for an extended period of time. Maybe 5+ years, if not more... Definitely remember rumblings about 1500 Smith since before the last recession, and I'm pretty certain there was a thread around here at one point where we were all trying to pin down where they'd have the room to build. You are absolutely correct. I would not expect any of the Allen Center proposals to come to fruition any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Five more floors cut from Five Allen Center? http://www.avisonyoung.com/sites/default/files/market-intelligence/3Q13%20Houston%20Office%20Development%20Update.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Five more floors cut from Five Allen Center?http://www.avisonyoung.com/sites/default/files/market-intelligence/3Q13%20Houston%20Office%20Development%20Update.pdfI know I might get bashed for this, but here goes... I'm kind of glad if they scaled this one back a bit. For it's height at that location it will throw the whole balance of the western skyline off. While I like the glass facade, I would prefer if anything got built Downtown west of Louisiana it wouldn't dwarf the skyscrapers in front of it. Some shorter buildings will help with the density factor, but anything taller will throw it all off - unless it was significantly taller and became a "center piece". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellanious Caesar Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah I like the scale back too. Let's be honest, height is great but I think most would agree that 609 and International tower both have better designs. Better 5 AC scaled back then those two. Plus the scale back gives this one a fighting chance to get done, finally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 That is such a prominent sight, a building there would be seen from 45, I-10, Memorial Dr. & Allen Parkway. It would be great if a 50 Story Signature tower was built, instead of a 35 story building. Well hopefully it will have a good design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 If the design is the same as the old renderings, I too am glad it's shortened to 35 stories. It was a pretty basic design and would of been way too prominent. However a signature tower at that spot would of been nice at 50 stories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen4rmptown Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, simply echoing the previous comments... But I think we can rationally come to an agreement that the floor reduction is a good thing. One of the few times you'll hear us saying that, but given the location, it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I too agree about the reduction. It would have been like a glaring pimple on the end of a nose if this building had remained the same height. The other Allen building (tall brown one) would be totally removed from the western view of the skyline. The building, even at 35 stories, just doesn't 'fit' in that location. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I hope it gets a redesign along with the redux.. This building will be right on the edge of 45 (unless they adopt one of the new highway designs re routing traffic around downtown) and be one of the most visible buildings on the west side of downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowerSpotter Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 http://www.bisnow.com/commercial-real-estate/houston/three-months-four-developments/ Cassidy Turley was just named the leasing agent for the Allen Center, the first-time owner Brookfield has gone third-party in Houston (it's still leasing the rest of its 8M SF CBD portfolio). It's a 3.1M SF assignment across three buildings. Although Brookfield hasn't released details yet, we know a redevelopment of the iconic complex is in the works, and the firm has discussed breaking ground on a fourth Class-A tower at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Awesome news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 "at some point" being the operative phrase there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouCityMan Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If they ever build it, there is no way it'll be the 40-50 story tower we've seen in renderings. I have to believe with all the new & refurbished SF coming online in the next 3-4 years downtown, this will ultimately be shelved again . . . unless . . . they somehow incorporate a 4-5 star hotel into the mix . . . pure conjecture on my part . . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) If they ever build it, there is no way it'll be the 40-50 story tower we've seen in renderings. I have to believe with all the new & refurbished SF coming online in the next 3-4 years downtown, this will ultimately be shelved again . . . unless . . . they somehow incorporate a 4-5 star hotel into the mix . . . pure conjecture on my part . . . Nothing has changed... Five Allen Center is on the shelf until they sign an anchor tenant. If/when they sign an anchor tenant (or more than 1), they will then determine the size/height of the building. If they sign 1 million square foot anchor tenant, you can bet they will build a 40-50 story tower. If they don't sign an anchor tenant, they will build nothing. Edited November 13, 2013 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 This building couldn't be in a worse spot. I don't give a rats ass if it was 100 stories. It'll ruin the western view of the skyline. I hate this project. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 ^ A nice 20-25 floor building wouldn't be bad in this location. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Maybe I can shed some light on this and we may want to merge this thread I created in another part of the forum: http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/29020-new-facade-for-one-allen-center/ ^ New facade for One Allen Center.Brookfield is, in fact, going to redevelop One Allen Center with the same organization that redeveloped the JW Marriott in downtown. I haven't posted it in other thread yet but the latest I've heard is for a sleek all-glass design for One Allen Center. Now, I have not heard any word about Two Allen Center or any of the other complex because my client has only been assigned to work on One Allen Center; however, that doesn't mean the rest of the complex isn't going to be upgraded as well. I've also heard targets of late 2014 but it's still way too early for an exact time table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 One Allen Center has the highest vacancy rate out of all their buildings(and the highest of any Class A building in the CBD) which might explain why it is getting a complete remodel. The other Allen buildings have some pretty high vacancy rates too so they are probably getting at least some interior improvements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Why wouldn't they have high vacancy rates? They're bland and boring boxes. The complete lack of imagination that went into their design is astounding and makes me want to puke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt16 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I'm in Two Allen. The buildings are actually fairly efficient office space and they are having some success renting to multi-tenant floors. The problem is they lost (Hess, Devon, Kinder Morgan) all in the span of a few years. That's pretty devastating. The leasing claimed that One Allen is the only building getting a redo. I'm sure it's possible, but I'm looking at fairly large stone on the exterior of the building right now, and a glass facade seems really tricky and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I'm in Two Allen. The buildings are actually fairly efficient office space and they are having some success renting to multi-tenant floors. The problem is they lost (Hess, Devon, Kinder Morgan) all in the span of a few years. That's pretty devastating. The leasing claimed that One Allen is the only building getting a redo. I'm sure it's possible, but I'm looking at fairly large stone on the exterior of the building right now, and a glass facade seems really tricky and expensive.Even though it may be expensive, from what I've heard, Brookfield sees the competition that is coming from several other planned renovations and even the newer proposed towers, and they also see that they need to make changes now or face loosing even more tenants in the future. They see it as an investment to redo the interior and exterior of One Allen Center. Now I can't say what my sales profession entails on a public forum, but like I said, my client is the actual supervisor for this project. As soon as I get any renderings, I'll post them here but so far it is way too early for any of that. Brookfield is simply in the consultation phase on how to redesign One Allen Center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellanious Caesar Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I like 5 AC honestly, especially in its current state. We already know Brookfield is willing to test patience to get the tenants needed to get this thing off the ground. So by that logic, I thinks it's a safe bet that 609 Main, Chevron, Capital, Hilcorp, and maybe International towers can make their move first. The 5 AC is perfect at 35-40 floors, it's a large sized building adding more infill/structural density to that part of Downtown. In many ways, Houston, Dallas, and Miami are the US versions of Toronto on the rapid infill and skyscrapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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