tigereye Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I guess it's time to cue up the ole Ron Paul "It's Happening" gif...http://twitter.com/GreenStreetHou/status/368450858377154560/photo/1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Sweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonBoy Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What are they building? I thought it was more of a renovation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What are they building? I thought it was more of a renovation. http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/2013/04/developers-announce-plans-to-reinvent-houston-pavilions/ Renovations can involve pretty significant construction, as this one does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 When are they expecting the renovations to be completed and will it be ope during construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 do i remember correctly that they said they were going to widen the courtyard areas? if so, i wonder how they plan to do that without major structural changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Didn't dig too deep but this is what I saw "the courtyard in the middle block will be expanded to allow for events." Only the middle one of the three it seems. Edited August 22, 2013 by fatesdisastr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 do i remember correctly that they said they were going to widen the courtyard areas? if so, i wonder how they plan to do that without major structural changes. Who said there are not going to be any major structural changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Who said there are not going to be any major structural changes?i assumed they werent since it said the tenants wouldnt be effected. i now see in the Chron blog post that they are in fact removing some of the building on the inside of the middle block. pretty cool, though i wish they could of expanded the part along main street too so the inner courtyard area had a more open feel to bring in more pedestrians from Main to bring into the events in the courtyard. with them only expanding the middle i feel like it may still be isolated and not get as much attention. maybe some big LEDs along main and going into the courtyard could help bring in people by letting them know about events. Edited August 22, 2013 by cloud713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Didn't dig too deep but this is what I saw Only the middle one of the three it seems.Correct: Only the middle of the 3 blocks will have an expanded courtyard. The fencing in the front (main st) entrence is for construction of a decorative fountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) Work has begun: Should've kept the bamboo Edited August 26, 2013 by Urbannizer 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Since it has begun I think we should have the mod change the title to "Houston Pavilions to Greenstreet Renovation" or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Plumb Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 What is the target audience for this project anyway? Daytime office workers or evening / weekend dt visitors? Like I stated before I am hoping for the best but I STILL think If they don't turn the place INSIDE OUT on the street level and have street facing attractions this redo is going to be more of the same. I realize you probably can't line the exterior along the sidewalks with cafes and bars but if there's not enough to make it interesting it's gonna be boring. They need a tunnel connection as well if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowerSpotter Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 What is the target audience for this project anyway? Daytime office workers or evening / weekend dt visitors? Like I stated before I am hoping for the best but I STILL think If they don't turn the place INSIDE OUT on the street level and have street facing attractions this redo is going to be more of the same. I realize you probably can't line the exterior along the sidewalks with cafes and bars but if there's not enough to make it interesting it's gonna be boring. They need a tunnel connection as well if possible. More tunnel connection, IMO no, I want to see life on the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerFanInHouston Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I recall reading, that is what the plan is, street cafes and street facing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Plumb Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Most women office workers prefer to take the tunnels. I hear that all the time. Especially in areas where there are lots of street bums. Which is the Greenstreet area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 What is the target audience for this project anyway? Daytime office workers or evening / weekend dt visitors? Like I stated before I am hoping for the best but I STILL think If they don't turn the place INSIDE OUT on the street level and have street facing attractions this redo is going to be more of the same. I realize you probably can't line the exterior along the sidewalks with cafes and bars but if there's not enough to make it interesting it's gonna be boring. They need a tunnel connection as well if possible. Please, please, PLEASE read the descriptions of the plans for the redo. Once all renovation is complete, storefronts along Dallas will be lined with outdoor patios... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I just cleaned out more than a dozen off-topic messages in this thread. If you want to talk about something other than the Greenstreet project, then start a new thread. If you can't participate in a civil conversation and stay on topic, you are welcome to surf elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Quoted most of the article for those w/o a subscription.. The additional activity would be centered around Dallas Street but likely expand to other parts of downtown, they said. The plan would involve providing financial incentives to property owners within about a 20-block area who add retail tenants to their buildings or vacant parcels of land, according to members of the Downtown Retail Task Force who discussed the plan with the Houston Chronicle Editoral Board Thursday. "This is a bold concept and initiative," said Ed Wulfe, a veteran retail developer and task force member. "It's not going to be easy." The group envisions Dallas Street as the "spine of a shopping district" that would extend from Milam to LaBranch. Dallas was selected because of its proximity to properties that support retail: the George R. Brown Convention Center, office buildings, and hotels and residential buildings - more of which are under development. The group also cited existing downtown retail in the Shops at Houston Center and GreenStreet, the former Houston Pavilions, as key to expanding the shopping district and adding more stores and restaurants to their properties. The group said it has identified 325,000 square feet of space of potential leasable retail space in the area. Members of the task force include public officials, developers and property owners. An executive from Midway Cos., owner of GreenStreet, is part of the group.Bob Eury of the Downtown District, Fred Griffin of Griffin Partners and the city's chief development officer, Andy Icken, attended the meeting Thursday. ***During the Chronicle meeting Thursday, a week and a half before the abandoned Macy's is to be torn down, task force members showed off a rendering of a portion of Dallas Street that would be part of the new district. On one side of the street, outdoor cafes are shown lining the three-block GreenStreet development and a new high-rise has been added to the property that task force members said is a proposed hotel. Across the street, a major retailer occupies the ground floor of the Sakowitz Building, currently used for parking. Officials said they are still determining how the financial incentives would be structured, but they likely would be tax reimbursements paid to the property owners after the stores are open. The program would be limited to retailers who sell items such as clothing and "hard-good" merchandise. Restaurants and bars would not be included. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Plan-calls-for-tax-dollars-to-help-create-4810595.php?cmpid=atfpm Edit - HBJ article on the story: http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2013/09/retail-task-force-releases-final-report.html Edited September 13, 2013 by Urbannizer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Quoted most of the article for those w/o a subscription.. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Plan-calls-for-tax-dollars-to-help-create-4810595.php?cmpid=atfpmIt took a retail team to tell them what others have been saying for years.. The focus to make main street the retail center was flawed.. The area is shaping up to be a bar/ restruant scene.. I have always thought retail should be focused toward the convention center and other area.. what next that eado would be a great place for highrasies given that it would afford great views of DT...shhh something are common sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Am I remembering a similar plan from a few years ago? Hope the demand heats up to support it, that would be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mab Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 http://downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2013-09-12/Downtown_Retail_Task_Force_Report_Sept_12_2013_ONLINE.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 It took a retail team to tell them what others have been saying for years.. The focus to make main street the retail center was flawed.. The area is shaping up to be a bar/ restruant scene.. I have always thought retail should be focused toward the convention center and other area.. what next that eado would be a great place for highrasies given that it would afford great views of DT...shhh something are common sense Agree about Dallas St. I'm glad the task force at least chose the right street, though; now I hope the incentives actually help lure tenants. It did with Tipping Point, so we'll see. EaDo should be a bar/restaurant/entertainment district with design and furniture shops mixed in, I think. The warehouses are perfect for that. I could see it feeling a lot like early 2000's Deep Ellum or the late 90's/early 2000's Meatpacking District. It's gritty, but in a good way for those uses. Mid-/high rise residential will probably follow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Thanks Mab! Here's the renderings from the link. Kim Kardashian shopping in DT Houston? I guess this is the proposed hotel for Greenstreet that we've been hearing rumors about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jackwood Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Love the new tower on top of Greenstreet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Thanks Mab! Here's the renderings from the link. Kim Kardashian shopping in DT Houston? I guess this is the proposed hotel for Greenstreet that we've been hearing rumors about. Do they know something we dont about greenst.. I thought I read something about a proposed highrasie in the area ..hmmm I have often walked down that st and thought its so bland and lifeless why dont they add some art work or something.. just huge white walls screaming to be made lively.... Still think green st main street entrance.. could use a big sign like the one proposed for the other side.. Edited September 13, 2013 by Moore713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Didn't this plan come out a few months ago? I can swear we had a topic on this. Anyway, do people think this is a feasible idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Didn't this plan come out a few months ago? I can swear we had a topic on this. Anyway, do people think this is a feasible idea? That plan called for making main the retail center ,but dallas was inculded.. this one shifts the focus onto Dallas a;; the way down to the convention center .. People thought know one would bite on the residental tax break , now they are popping up like weeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 rumor has it that they are (or at least were) looking at adding a hotel-component. no idea where it would go. On one side of the street, outdoor cafes are shown lining the three-block GreenStreet development and a new high-rise has been added to the property that task force members said is a proposed hotel. Across the street, a major retailer occupies the ground floor of the Sakowitz Building, currently used for parking." http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Plan-calls-for-tax-dollars-to-help-create-4810595.php?cmpid=atfpm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 That plan called for making main the retail center ,but dallas was inculded.. this one shifts the focus onto Dallas a;; the way down to the convention center .. People thought know one would bite on the residental tax break , now they are popping up like weeds.. For so long it was a terrible cycle.. residental would not build DT for lack of retail and venues for entertaiment.. retail would not build DT for lack of evening and weekend support.. and so far so on... but now it seems that cycle is being broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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