The Pragmatist Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Wait, shouldn't we hate all things Dallas? I propose shifting this plan one block over onto Polk. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Wait, shouldn't we hate all things Dallas? I propose shifting this plan one block over onto Polk.lol second.. if this block takes off ... dallaites will never let us hear the end of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Do they know something we dont about greenst.. I thought I read something about a proposed highrasie in the area ..hmmm I have often walked down that st and thought its so bland and lifeless why dont they add some art work or something.. just huge white walls screaming to be made lively.... Still think green st main street entrance.. could use a big sign like the one proposed for the other side.. Hopefully they can do this without the crass ads on the sides of buildings. IMHO, the longterm vision should be a loop of walkable "signature" streets, made up of Main St., Dallas St., Avenida de las Americas, and Texas Avenue. Of course, every street north of Texas Ave. should be walkable, but that's not such uncharted territory as Dallas St. is. Lastly, this is yet another plan. At this point, if plans and proposals came out for every single empty lot in downtown Houston, all with ground floor retail, it wouldn't excite me much - they need to start building some of these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Note merged with the original Dallas shopping district topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think this is entirely dependent on continued residential construction. Luckily, that seems to be happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Kim Kardashian shopping in DT Houston? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Not as sexy as a rendering, but they are getting after the re-do presently... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 That plan called for making main the retail center ,but dallas was inculded.. this one shifts the focus onto Dallas a;; the way down to the convention center .. No, it didn't. The plan is on the first page of this thread. The primary focus is Dallas Street, not Main. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 No, it didn't. The plan is on the first page of this thread. The primary focus is Dallas Street, not Main.I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I had never heard about this originally but the idea is very exciting. Downtown needs a legit retail district. This looks promising if the incentives program works anything like the residential incentives did. Does anyone think the city will extend the residential incentives program? Seems like it will be ending about when this one is beginning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towerjunkie Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I don't know about this project. I think they should wait to see if the Greenstreet Project is a success and then go from there. Just to be secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I don't know about this project. I think they should wait to see if the Greenstreet Project is a success and then go from there. Just to be secure. My all measure green st was.. the venues have a good side crowd.. the only fail was mangaement themselves... the venues actually seem to do quite well. That is prob what they basing it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 This ”proposal” is going to get passed. Everyone loves a tax break. This is far from just a dream, Houston is the place to be. Some of you in this forum that believe this is all just a dream havent realized that this is where EVERYONE is coming. Houston isnt the 3rd wheel city anymore. We are become a premier spot nationally! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 lol second.. if this block takes off ... dallaites will never let us hear the end of it... Not really true, at least we could say the best thing about Dallas is in Houston 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jackwood Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I think before anything is done at all, they need to change the name of the street to something that doesn't make people want to vomit when they hear it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Dallas and W. Gray, from Downtown to River Oaks, would be fantastic development corridors. Imagine a revived Montrose Blvd Management District connecting the Dallas/W. Gray development corridor with Main. Add a few major park projects......I digress. I have no problem with Dallas as a street name in Houston. Any commitment to Dallas street as a retail corridor should extend outside I-45/Pierce to enhance pedestrian activity beyond the CBD. Downtown streetscape/pedestrian planning needs to ALWAYS extend beyond the freeway perimeter to increase Downtown interconnectivity with emerging neighborhoods. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchFan Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 ... I have no problem with Dallas as a street name in Houston. Nor do I, although in honesty I must admit I have to permit the rational part of my mind take precedence over the (remnant) teenage competitive part :-) From a practical point of view, maybe we can get some free "bounce" from Dallas' (the city's) efforts to promote itself. (Just kidding, but it's a fun idea! Especially since I think they are better at it than we are.) Seriously, San Antonio and Dallas both have a "Houston Street". So, I don't really see a need to change the name of our Dallas Street. It is a part of our history, after all. Perhaps, some day, people in Houston and Dallas will grow up enough to appreciate each other's positive aspects, much as human siblings do. Or, is that an absurd idea, since we have a steady supply of new teenagers coming online? Back to the original topic: I'm old enough to have faint memories of downtown Houston really being the place to go for many things. E.g., the only place to select from a wide range of out-of-town newspapers (across the street from the Rice Hotel). Several movie theaters. The only place with a diversity of shopping options that could compete with Gulfgate (of all places)! Living on the west side, it was a very big deal when Sharpstown Mall opened: no more long drives to downtown or Gulfgate to shop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Nor do I, although in honesty I must admit I have to permit the rational part of my mind take precedence over the (remnant) teenage competitive part :-) From a practical point of view, maybe we can get some free "bounce" from Dallas' (the city's) efforts to promote itself. (Just kidding, but it's a fun idea! Especially since I think they are better at it than we are.) Seriously, San Antonio and Dallas both have a "Houston Street". So, I don't really see a need to change the name of our Dallas Street. It is a part of our history, after all. Perhaps, some day, people in Houston and Dallas will grow up enough to appreciate each other's positive aspects, much as human siblings do. Or, is that an absurd idea, since we have a steady supply of new teenagers coming online? Back to the original topic: I'm old enough to have faint memories of downtown Houston really being the place to go for many things. E.g., the only place to select from a wide range of out-of-town newspapers (across the street from the Rice Hotel). Several movie theaters. The only place with a diversity of shopping options that could compete with Gulfgate (of all places)! Living on the west side, it was a very big deal when Sharpstown Mall opened: no more long drives to downtown or Gulfgate to shop! If Dallas develops some positive aspects I'll be happy to appreciate 'em. /kidding...sorta I wonder if Downtown will ever *really* be the center of the city in that way again. Maybe Houston will just keep developing into a mass of heavily differentiated mini cities, with Downtown as one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towerjunkie Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I can't help but wonder, doesn't it need something to attract people. Maybe some sort of lighting scheme like L.A. live to let people know that it's there. It would really attract people if it had an observation tower I mean come on who doesn't want to look at our town! Then again if this is a sort of semi- high end project the whole lighting scheme wouldn't be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jackwood Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) At the risk of sounding like an immature teenager, I just want the street name changed because I don't want anyone to associate Houston's new downtown premier shopping district with cow-pies. Edited September 16, 2013 by Jackwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 At the risk of sounding like an immature teenager, I just want the street name changed because I don't want anyone to associate Houston's new downtown premier shopping district with cow-pies. As crazy as some people may think it is, I agree 100%. I remember the city considering changing the street name when Mayor White was in office, but I never heard much after that. Id just rename it to Houston St. or hell make it a Blvd and name it Houston Blvd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Doesn't Dallas have a Houston street downtown? Seems more like a tribute to each other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowerSpotter Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Doesn't Dallas have a Houston street downtown? Seems more like a tribute to each other. Yeah, I hope they leave it to be Dallas street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Doesn't Dallas have a Houston street downtown? Seems more like a tribute to each other. that's a good way of looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I guess if it makes someone "feel better" it's a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Sept 16 from GreenStreet FB page: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I realize their hearts are in the right place, but is turning Dallas into a retail strip realistic? On one side is Green Street which mainly faces inward. Isn't it mainly parking garages on the north side of the street? That said, I do like the idea of the widened sidewalks to allow street dining. That could make a big difference if the right restaurants are around. Somehow I think the Downtown District has visions of chic boutiques in their head, Apple Stores and whatnot, but I'm not sure that is what the area needs or can support. Is the idea more to serve convention attendees, residents, or daytime office workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm not sure if the retail district is a good idea, it seems like a waste of taxpayer money. For one thing, it would need to attract people who live in downtown (not 9-to-5ers exclusively). As I have stated before, Target is a reasonable idea (perhaps connected with apartments and the tunnel system). Any attempt, historically in America in the last 50 years, to attract suburbanites back to downtown to shop has been more or less a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm not sure if the retail district is a good idea, it seems like a waste of taxpayer money. For one thing, it would need to attract people who live in downtown (not 9-to-5ers exclusively). As I have stated before, Target is a reasonable idea (perhaps connected with apartments and the tunnel system). Any attempt, historically in America in the last 50 years, to attract suburbanites back to downtown to shop has been more or less a failure. What about Portland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm not sure if the retail district is a good idea, it seems like a waste of taxpayer money. For one thing, it would need to attract people who live in downtown (not 9-to-5ers exclusively). As I have stated before, Target is a reasonable idea (perhaps connected with apartments and the tunnel system). Any attempt, historically in America in the last 50 years, to attract suburbanites back to downtown to shop has been more or less a failure. This is not about attracting "suburbanites" to shop downtown. While they might make up part of the mix of shoppers, this is about providing a district in the heart of the city for the growing number of people who live, work, and visit downtown. Ground floor retail and retail that is open on the weekends is sorely lacking downtown. As the new (and not even announced yet) residential towers and mid-rises get built, as the rail lines are completed, as the new hotels are completed, as the convention center expands and new and bigger conventions are added, as the East End and Midtown fill in, as Buffalo Bayou continues to be transformed and becomes even more of an attraction, etc, there will be more and more reasons for downtown to need retail. In its current state, downtown will not be able to meet that need. A little planning for current and future needs would go a long way. Just look at Market Square's revival. Most people seemed to write it off as dead forever just a few months ago. Then the little park that many said would always just be a homeless hangout was rebuilt. Things change, cities change; Houston is finally starting to change in ways that many of us probably hoped it would a long time ago. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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