mfastx Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Seems like a neat development, but part of me thinks that after work is completed, it'll just be as dead as usual in non-business hours. Much like Houston Pavillions, err Green Street. Is there a plan for more actual retail along this stretch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Wider sidewalks on both sides with improved landscaping (includes adding trees..I think they will be palm trees) from Milam to Crawford.They won't be Palm trees. They have already acquired the trees they need and they are at a nursery now. I believe that they are Elms. The kind that grow naturally into a more connical shape.How do I know? Because they had a public meeting a week ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Seems like a neat development, but part of me thinks that after work is completed, it'll just be as dead as usual in non-business hours. Much like Houston Pavillions, err Green Street. Is there a plan for more actual retail along this stretch?Yes. But plans are one thing. Execution is another.Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 They won't be Palm trees. They have already acquired the trees they need and they are at a nursery now. I believe that they are Elms. The kind that grow naturally into a more connical shape.How do I know? Because they had a public meeting a week ago.no palm trees? now this is what i hate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 They won't be Palm trees. They have already acquired the trees they need and they are at a nursery now. I believe that they are Elms. The kind that grow naturally into a more connical shape.How do I know? Because they had a public meeting a week ago.Thank god. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Looks like the second half of the public meeting was about Main Street. I didn't stay for that....Withe the caveat noted below, Palm trees WILL be on Main..... Including the intersection of main and Dallas....Check out the thread on Main Street redo for link to details.....the presentation may NOT have been the one from last week as the one online is dated February 2014....... Edited November 27, 2014 by UtterlyUrban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Purify Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I didn't realize people hated palm trees. Then again, there are people who hate babies, clouds, ice cream, and beaches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 TOTALLY COOL! as i have referenced the main street redo... the uplit palms shall indeed be gorgeous throughout that particular corridor. yes, i'm happy again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intencity77 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I'm not strictly opposed or hate the idea of palm trees. I actually like palms but I sort of question how they will interact style wise with the surrounding urban/downtown environment. Maybe once they're planted it'll look better than I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towerjunkie Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I think they went with palm trees to subconsciously make the shopper feel like they are in fancy Rodeo Drive, thereby encouraging shoppers, and shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I didn't realize people hated palm trees. Then again, there are people who hate babies, clouds, ice cream, and beaches.Palm trees are ugly imho. They harbor rodents, snakes, and wasps. Not good ehen you're tcreateto create a walkable environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Depends on the species, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 i really doubt you'll find many reptiles roaming the streets of downtown Houston. Unless its a ball of those swarming moccasins reported on this site a while back.We all know that never happens so I wouldn't worry about the snakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 i really doubt you'll find many reptiles roaming the streets of downtown Houston. Dude, you apparently haven't been around the Fashionable Bars lately... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieMay Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Dude, you apparently haven't been around the Fashionable Bars lately... Oh, you mean Lounge Lizards! While I don't mind palms or any other kind of tree to encourage shopping--first, we need someplace to shop! Macy's/Foley's That Was used only half of that old building--but shopping did occur. Since I watched them gut the place over the months, waiting for the train every morning, I wasn't too sad when it finally imploded. Shorn of its purpose, the building was hulking & unbeautiful. But when they began filling up the empty space, it was evident that the new building, with a pretty curved plaza, will turn its back to Main Street. Which gets the parking garage & is beginning to seem claustrophobic. Even a few fast food joints on street level would be better than a blank wall. One hopes somebody will do something with the Bobby Sakowitz Memorial Parking Garage.... Edited December 5, 2014 by MaggieMay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Oh, you mean Lounge Lizards! While I don't mind palms or any other kind of tree to encourage shopping--first, we need someplace to shop! Macy's/Foley's That Was used half of that old building--but shopping did occur. Since I watched them gut the place over the months as I waited for the train every work morning, I wasn't too sad when it finally imploded. But the fact that the new building has turned its back to Main Street, offering a view of its parking garage, does not make me happy. Even a few fast food joints on street level would be better than a blank wall.... Where do you get the idea there will be a blank wall facing Main Street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieMay Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Where do you get the idea there will be a blank wall facing Main Street? I changed my post a bit since you quoted me. But, standing at the train stop, all I can see being built is a parking garage. Are there plans for retail on the first floor? Edited December 5, 2014 by MaggieMay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Are there plans for retail on the first floor?Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I changed my post a bit since you quoted me. But, standing at the train stop, all I can see being built is a parking garage. Are there plans for retail on the first floor? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I changed my post a bit since you quoted me. But, standing at the train stop, all I can see being built is a parking garage. Are there plans for retail on the first floor?8,000 sq ft of retail space in total. And southbound lane on Main St in between Lamar & Dallas will also be closed to become a plaza. I've also worked for in the area for a few years (rode the train too) and understand your views on the transformation. In my view, this change will be for the better, no question about it. And combined the other nearby developments almost happening simultaneously, by 2016 the center city will have a vastly different look and feel from what we usually encounter daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 8,000 sq ft of retail space in total. And southbound lane on Main St in between Lamar & Dallas will also be closed to become a plaza. I've also worked for in the area for a few years (rode the train too) and understand your views on the transformation. In my view, this change will be for the better, no question about it. And combined the other nearby developments almost happening simultaneously, by 2016 the center city will have a vastly different look and feel from what we usually encounter daily.In order for this to work, the homeless need to be removed from this area, the urine stench is unbearable and they accost people walking by for money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLWM8609 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 In order for this to work, the homeless need to be removed from this area, the urine stench is unbearable and they accost people walking by for money. I'm pretty sure other cities with retail districts in their downtown areas have homeless people in the area and they're not an impediment to shoppers. Heck, there's homeless people in the Galleria area. They don't impede shopping there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think what he means is, the homeless population should not be the majority in downtown if this whole thing is to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 As the reasons for non-homeless people to be in the area increase, the ratio of homeless to non-homeless will shift. There really aren't that many homeless people; it's just that there's no reason for anyone else to be there right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 BigFootsSocks, The homeless population is finally nowhere near the majority downtown. The city has done a decent job of relocating some of the homeless, and the population of paying residents downtown has been gradually increasing. And now I'd say the police (thanks to not properly cleaning up after their horses) contribute more excrement to downtown streets than the homeless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think what he means is, the homeless population should not be the majority in downtown if this whole thing is to work.What I meant was, this exact block specifically, in front of the former Macys and Sakowitz, is the epicenter of all homeless congregation in downtown, along with the homeless paradise one block away where metros light rail waterwall failure is.I dont have a problem with the homeless in particular, I live in midtown and have dealt with them my whole life.All I was pointing out is that this is the bullseye of all central downtown homeless camping/loitering.They can move somewhere else a few blocks away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownproud Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 What I meant was, this exact block specifically, in front of the former Macys and Sakowitz, is the epicenter of all homeless congregation in downtown, along with the homeless paradise one block away where metros light rail waterwall failure is.I dont have a problem with the homeless in particular, I live in midtown and have dealt with them my whole life.All I was pointing out is that this is the bullseye of all central downtown homeless camping/loitering.They can move somewhere else a few blocks away.Agreed. The area around the convenience story on the corner is very bad. It is also really bad in the far SE corner of downtown (and of course at Main and Wheeler, although that is Midtown). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) What I meant was, this exact block specifically, in front of the former Macys and Sakowitz, is the epicenter of all homeless congregation in downtown, along with the homeless paradise one block away where metros light rail waterwall failure is.I dont have a problem with the homeless in particular, I live in midtown and have dealt with them my whole life.All I was pointing out is that this is the bullseye of all central downtown homeless camping/loitering. No it is not the bulls eye for the most part a few congregate but it is far the center..also 90% of the time they don't bother anybody since during the day there is at least one police car parked out there , many people walk up and down that block as well at night without being bothered most times..every blue moon one of them bothers a patron sitting outside on the patio sections but that about it..the real problem is people just find them unsightly,since most times they just keep to Edited December 8, 2014 by Moore713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 In order for this to work, the homeless need to be removed from this area, the urine stench is unbearable and they accost people walking by for money.I think the homeless may end up moving soon as a result of construction soon on Main St for its facelift, combined with already ongoing construction at 1111 Travis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think the homeless may end up moving soon as a result of construction soon on Main St for its facelift, combined with already ongoing construction at 1111 Travis. They'll be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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