Popular Post hindesky Posted April 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2016 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 ^^^ wonderful illustration hindesky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Courtesy of Bobruss: Just peeking above the surroundings here 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elseed Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 So still no word on any potential tenants in the retail corridor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 when I spoke to the manager at forever 21 a couple weeks ago he heard they were trying to land free people the popular hippie chain. Not sure whatever happened but thats the type of store downtown needs. If we were to get free people/urban outfitters/sephora/h&m we would be solid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sunstar Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 8 hours ago, Elseed said: So still no word on any potential tenants in the retail corridor? More importantly, where would the retail go? Besides Forever 21, the rest of the Green Street development on the Dallas side is a hotel currently under construction, 3 restaurants and the House of Blues. The Sakowitz building is still a parking garage,and the other remaining structures along this route are parking garages. I'm hoping the corner of the corner of 1111 Travis will have a retail component. But other than that they would have to build something new. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Sunstar said: More importantly, where would the retail go? Besides Forever 21, the rest of the Green Street development on the Dallas side is a hotel currently under construction, 3 restaurants and the House of Blues. The Sakowitz building is still a parking garage,and the other remaining structures along this route are parking garages. I'm hoping the corner of the corner of 1111 Travis will have a retail component. But other than that they would have to build something new. I wonder when they plan the Four Season's remodel? Maybe they could include a new street front? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Purify Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Has anyone here ever patronized that Starbucks? The sign is so small and dim I can't imagine the place attracting many impulse buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 its always fairly busy as its located within a hotel and just off main street so it gets a fair amount of traffic...also when my best friend headlined a show at house of blues a couple of months ago, we walked over there after soundcheck and there was a line about 10 people long...so it's doing pretty well apparently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elseed Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Sunstar said: More importantly, where would the retail go? Besides Forever 21, the rest of the Green Street development on the Dallas side is a hotel currently under construction, 3 restaurants and the House of Blues. The Sakowitz building is still a parking garage,and the other remaining structures along this route are parking garages. I'm hoping the corner of the corner of 1111 Travis will have a retail component. But other than that they would have to build something new. I believe the original plan was to redevelop the sakowitz building and part of another building into street level retail? Which I think could work. However, after the city announced that they've narrowed the the list of developers to work on this project no one has really heard anything from the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Sunstar said: More importantly, where would the retail go? Besides Forever 21, the rest of the Green Street development on the Dallas side is a hotel currently under construction, 3 restaurants and the House of Blues. The Sakowitz building is still a parking garage,and the other remaining structures along this route are parking garages. I'm hoping the corner of the corner of 1111 Travis will have a retail component. But other than that they would have to build something new. 1111 Fannin looks like it could possibly have retail space at street level on the Dallas side, but I'm not sure if that is practical. Sakowitz re-conversion was always key to this plan, but I'll believe that when I see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Update for high above the site. Edited April 13, 2016 by tigereye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1111 Main for sure has room for decent sized retail on the ground floor. Summary - Main and Dallas has potential, but will require a big anchor in Sakowitz and good tennants in Hillcorp and the old books a million spot. There's also some opportunity because of empty lots at the east end of Dallas. A lot of Dallas is loading docks and blank walls. Going down dallas from east to west in street view, here are my notes: There are still empty lots closer to the east end of dallas where a new shopping center could be constructed I don't really see how 4 seasons could turn their loading dock into any sort of retail. It looks like there might be one open spot next to Ben's beans, and of course whatever the Marlowe will bring. Green street really treats dallas as the loading dock, at least for the house of blues section. The parking garage between Caroline and San Jacinto looks very unfriendly to GFR - they'd have to do extensive remodeling to the building to add any retail. Like Nate99 said, 1111 Fannin looks like it might be able to host some retail. Green street is just so inward facing for this whole street. Only where the last block with Hotel Alessandra and Forever 21 does it face Dallas. The old Sakowitz building really is a big key for this - its the biggest preexisting opportunity, and there's the most potential ground level activity at Dallas and main. The Humble building has the Starbucks in it, and some more spots. I doubt the Police HQ building will have GFR anytime soon. There is some GFR across from it though, and the McDonald's in the garage. Total Plaza and CentrePoint don't look like good candidates, but they're big towers that they could add a spot in if they wanted to in a lobby remodel. Even the Hyatt Regency has a blank wall on Dallas - there's a big canopy entrance on Louisiana, but Dallas is a brick wall. Enterprise plaza (the pink building? forgot the name) has an entrance ramp to underground parking, so I doubt there's much opportunity there. The rest of Dallas is much the same - sporadic GFR spots, loading docks, and the entrance drive for Double Tree. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 41 minutes ago, cspwal said: 1111 Main for sure has room for decent sized retail on the ground floor. Summary - Main and Dallas has potential, but will require a big anchor in Sakowitz and good tennants in Hillcorp and the old books a million spot. There's also some opportunity because of empty lots at the east end of Dallas. A lot of Dallas is loading docks and blank walls. Going down dallas from east to west in street view, here are my notes: There are still empty lots closer to the east end of dallas where a new shopping center could be constructed I don't really see how 4 seasons could turn their loading dock into any sort of retail. It looks like there might be one open spot next to Ben's beans, and of course whatever the Marlowe will bring. Green street really treats dallas as the loading dock, at least for the house of blues section. The parking garage between Caroline and San Jacinto looks very unfriendly to GFR - they'd have to do extensive remodeling to the building to add any retail. Like Nate99 said, 1111 Fannin looks like it might be able to host some retail. Green street is just so inward facing for this whole street. Only where the last block with Hotel Alessandra and Forever 21 does it face Dallas. The old Sakowitz building really is a big key for this - its the biggest preexisting opportunity, and there's the most potential ground level activity at Dallas and main. The Humble building has the Starbucks in it, and some more spots. I doubt the Police HQ building will have GFR anytime soon. There is some GFR across from it though, and the McDonald's in the garage. Total Plaza and CentrePoint don't look like good candidates, but they're big towers that they could add a spot in if they wanted to in a lobby remodel. Even the Hyatt Regency has a blank wall on Dallas - there's a big canopy entrance on Louisiana, but Dallas is a brick wall. Enterprise plaza (the pink building? forgot the name) has an entrance ramp to underground parking, so I doubt there's much opportunity there. The rest of Dallas is much the same - sporadic GFR spots, loading docks, and the entrance drive for Double Tree. I think you exaggerate the difficulty of converting at least part of the first levels of the two parking garages to active street-fronting retail, and also greatly exaggerate the amount of GreenStreet devoted to loading docks. FWIW, I believe the Dallas Street retail corridor plan only runs from Milam to Avenida de las Americas, with the focus being very much on the portion fronting Main, continuing east to Avenida de las Americas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think the Centerpoint offices take up too much potential space IMO. That space would be awesome for retail but is being wasted as office that could be anywhere in downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 There's always so much empty space in those offices too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 minute ago, BigFootsSocks said: There's always so much empty space in those offices too... Anyone have any idea how long their lease is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 hour ago, astros148 said: I think the Centerpoint offices take up too much potential space IMO. That space would be awesome for retail but is being wasted as office that could be anywhere in downtown. What if the city tried to get them to move floors and give up the ground floor...it be more asking than trying to force I mean..of course some type of incentive would probably have to be involved. . Another thing that I was thinking about was those mobile trunks, like the ones that come downtown from time to time...at least in the interim to get people use to thinking it as a retail area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 7 hours ago, Elseed said: I believe the original plan was to redevelop the sakowitz building and part of another building into street level retail? Which I think could work. However, after the city announced that they've narrowed the the list of developers to work on this project no one has really heard anything from the city. I think the other building in question is 1010 Lamar, behind the Sakowitz building. I haven't heard any updates on that redevelopment. As far as the inward facing restaurants along the Green Street Development, perhaps they could treat the Dallas side as a patio area for outdoor dining. They could place tables and a hostess stand on the sidewalk and install awnings. It's not retail, per se, but it would help create a more inviting environment for patrons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sunstar said: I think the other building in question is 1010 Lamar, behind the Sakowitz building. I haven't heard any updates on that redevelopment. As far as the inward facing restaurants along the Green Street Development, perhaps they could treat the Dallas side as a patio area for outdoor dining. They could place tables and a hostess stand on the sidewalk and install awnings. It's not retail, per se, but it would help create a more inviting environment for patrons. This. Atleast 3 restaurants (McCormmicks, III Forks, & Guadalajara) could use the wider sidewalks for patio space. House of Blues' Crossroads Cafe could be a 4th. And then you'll have Hotel Alessandra's front door on Dallas as well. And across the street from HOB, you have 101 Reserve, Ben's Beans, and Dirt Bar, with Marlowe possibly coming soon. The potential for activity on/near Dallas is there and I believe now that construction is complete, we'll see changes outward as we get closer to Hotel Alessandra's opening. Edited April 14, 2016 by tigereye 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 8 hours ago, Moore713 said: What if the city tried to get them to move floors and give up the ground floor...it be more asking than trying to force I mean..of course some type of incentive would probably have to be involved. . Another thing that I was thinking about was those mobile trunks, like the ones that come downtown from time to time...at least in the interim to get people use to thinking it as a retail area I was thinking that too when I read the part about empty space. Just move them up and renovate the ground floor for retail. Im not sure what kind of mobile trucks you're referring to (retail?), but maybe they could use the HOB loading dock when there isn't an event going on there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I wonder if the city could sponsor a street fair with booths of people selling things, similar to what goes on at mid-main on first thursdays 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, cloud713 said: I was thinking that too when I read the part about empty space. Just move them up and renovate the ground floor for retail. Im not sure what kind of mobile trucks you're referring to (retail?), but maybe they could use the HOB loading dock when there is http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/memorial/news/article/Fashion-trucks-The-next-big-thing-4993536.php#photo-5484282 Edited April 14, 2016 by Moore713 Correction 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Half of my urban dream has come true now that I work downtown (the other is to live there). So now I walk across Dallas on the far east side twice a day and love to look down and see these improvements. The construction and light poles make the street feel open and welcoming. The trees they chose to line the street with fit well, too. I'm happy they didn't go with oaks. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris2 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Very Gloomy Day... Alessandra by Chris Rojas, on Flickr 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Facade. Once again, quoting Eric Cartman - "have you seen the poop swatches?" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris2 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Definitely picking up the pace! IMG_4786 by Chris Rojas, on Flickr IMG_4788 by Chris Rojas, on Flickr IMG_4871 by Chris Rojas, on Flickr IMG_4870 by Chris Rojas, on Flickr 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) looks like they back on fixing up dallas, was just open to impress tourist This is still a good spot for potential retail, like a sephora or even a MAC or some smaller retail. I didnt realize but NRG does take up the first floor as well. It takes up way to much space in Greenstreet for it to ever be a retail hub, It has to be leasing out atleast a third of available space. Also for gods akes I hope they put some sort of advertisement or billboard next to the hotel in that ugly empty wall Edited April 25, 2016 by astros148 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 It's so strange to have NRG occupy prime retail space - I would guess that it doesn't match their needs very well, and they only got it because Houston Pavilions was desperate at the time. They need to figure out a way to attract a few big anchors; bring the big guys in and little stores will pop up too to take advantage of the traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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