HoustonIsHome Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Did they lose their lease or did they just decide not to renew?If I remember correctly both Macys and the city wanted the store to stay. Owners of Foleys wanted a different use of the space. As for not renewing, I don't think the lease was even up yet. I trunk Macys was in the middle of a ten year lease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 If I remember correctly both Macys and the city wanted the store to stay. Owners of Foleys wanted a different use of the space.As for not renewing, I don't think the lease was even up yet. I trunk Macys was in the middle of a ten year lease Highly doubtful. If they were in the middle of a ten year lease and wanted to stay, there would probably be a lawsuit in progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Did they lose their lease or did they just decide not to renew? The word at the time from both Macy's and the city was that they lost their lease. Also that they were interested in finding space downtown for a 150,000 square foot store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownproud Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 You're saying the Water Tower Place mall is not attached to the Water Tower Place tower? I am not talking about the old water tower itself. I am talking about the Water Tower Place development. There is no street cutting through it.I thought you were trying to show that an old structure could be attached to a new structure/mall. But if you were just trying to show that you can have a hotel on top of a mall, then yes I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Forgot to post these before leaving off to San Marcos & Austin. You can only get a good view of the site from the open side of the fence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) I thought you were trying to show that an old structure could be attached to a new structure/mall. But if you were just trying to show that you can have a hotel on top of a mall, then yes I agree with you.I was trying to show how a possible redevelopment of Foley's could have incorporated shops and an office tower. The bulk of Foley's is analogous to the bulky lower portion of Water Tower Place. The text of my post explained what I was driving at. Edited November 21, 2013 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) They are chipping out the below grade foundations currently with nealy all of the former building debris havig been hauled off. Tough to see much, but there wasa ton of steel reinforcing the concrete that made up the outer retaning wall. Maybe what I saw was part of the rumored "fallout shelter". Edited November 21, 2013 by Nate99 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 They are chipping out the below grade foundations currently with nealy all of the former building debris havig been hauled off. Tough to see much, but there wasa ton of steel reinforcing the concrete that made up the outer retaning wall. Maybe what I saw was part of the rumored "fallout shelter". Perhaps they thought that when they built, they built forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Perhaps they thought that when they built, they built forever. It was bunker level substantial. They were working on the Main street side, kind of made me wonder what they might have to do to keep the soil from shifting around under the light rail tracks once that big, heavy subterranian wall was removed, but what I know about soils and construction is limited to knowing that you generally construct buildings on top of soil. It also occurs to me that my metaphorical exagerration of "ton" is woefully inaequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 you can see the entire site from the top of the Pavilions Garage. When I go to work tomorrow, I'll park on the 8th and snap a few pics for y'all. ugh.. work.. I'm in Vegas right now... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) 11/24 by Candace Garcia Edited November 27, 2013 by Urbannizer 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) you can see the entire site from the top of the Pavilions Garage. When I go to work tomorrow, I'll park on the 8th and snap a few pics for y'all. ugh.. work.. I'm in Vegas right now... lol Beat you to it. From this shot, you can see the tunnel entrance in to 1000 Main. Edited December 4, 2013 by Nate99 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pragmatist Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 For whatever reason, I like it without a building there. If this were a park, it would be pretty cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 For whatever reason, I like it without a building there. If this were a park, it would be pretty cool. Or if we could all take turns playing with the big excavators. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 For whatever reason, I like it without a building there. If this were a park, it would be pretty cool. Or maybe they shoudl just turn it into a surface parking lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pragmatist Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Or maybe they shoudl just turn it into a surface parking lot.I didn't go so far as to say that, but I still think it would make an excellent park area. Granted, the lot being redeveloped as a building for Hilcorp works for me just as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Or if we could all take turns playing with the big excavators. Turn it into an off-road track so people with 4x4's can have fun during their lunch breaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 did Hilcorp ever give a timetable on their construction project? I'm wondering because the size of the hole in the ground is way too big to be filling in now just to dig it all up in a couple of years (even if it is only 15' deep, and just where did they think they were going to put 30,000 people in a shelter on that block? Throughout the entire Foley's building?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 ^ i was wondering if anyone else was noticing the apparent absence of any evidence of the supposed multi-level fallout shelter underneath the building. I always suspected that was nothing but urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 ^ i was wondering if anyone else was noticing the apparent absence of any evidence of the supposed multi-level fallout shelter underneath the building. I always suspected that was nothing but urban myth. As I mentioned earlier, there appeared to be an excessive amount of rebar in the foundation wall on the Main St. side, so it may have been built to bomb shelter specs, but the idea of putting 30k people on one city block seems absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I thought it was just a fallout shelter, not a bomb shelter. A fallout shelter doesn't resist a blast, just provides shelter from the falling waste. Lots of buildings all over the country, even in small towns, had signs that said fallout shelter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Or if we could all take turns playing with the big excavators. After drinking several 12-packs. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Williams Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 well I'll be damned, they're filling in the hole. Pictures to come later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I thought it was just a fallout shelter, not a bomb shelter. A fallout shelter doesn't resist a blast, just provides shelter from the falling waste. Lots of buildings all over the country, even in small towns, had signs that said fallout shelter. Either way, there is scant evidence of room for 30,000 or 39,000 people, as was supposed to be the case according to the urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 The bathtub for the old Foley's building takes up the entire block, and is about 15' deep. They are currently filling it in. i really need to delete the account that uses my real name... it's linked to my cell phone... lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Lol.Thanks for the updates, ****** *********.(Real name omitted to protect the innocent) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 hmm.... they built a ramp on the Main St side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouCityMan Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Possibly to bring in more dirt? I find it odd that they'd fill in the entire block as opposed to laying some foundations for the new building. I'm used to seeing holes like this either preserved or dug in the first place for that purpose. Headscratcher to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Surface parking anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hope this hasn't been placed on hold and they just haven't announced anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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