H-Town Man Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Milk cartons - PennzoilReally tall one - TCB/Chase TowerAwesome - Williams/Transco TowerCute gingerbread - Bank of America (I think)Pez - BG Place Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatesdisastr Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I'd say this thread took a right hand turn on topical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Stay OT guys, some comments have been removed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thanks, had no idea what they posted. I was very surprised I saw 609 Main in Dallas Metropolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Demolition of the old building on the site has begun: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) Yesss! Always exciting when work starts up. I was going to drive by it later today but I guess I don't need to anymore. Thanks for the update!Edit: damn Hines doesn't mess around. They said work would start in early November.. It started November 1st. Ha Edited November 1, 2013 by cloud713 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Yesss! Always exciting when work starts up. I was going to drive by it later today but I guess I don't need to anymore. Thanks for the update! I talked briefly to the guy in the picture. He seemed pretty excited. Demolition would be fun work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) From HBJ (subscription required), cool statistics, charts, and graphs about Downtown rents and available space: http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/print-edition/2013/11/01/downtown-sees-big-gains-in-occupancy.html?iana=ind_cre Edited November 1, 2013 by nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaderJF Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Fencing today 11-1-2013: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 This will be a landmark skyscraper! I love Hines! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky-guy Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I love Hines! I think we all do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I don't, but my only objection to this building is the loss of a perfectly nice existing tower. No reason they couldn't have built around it, and I think that's almost always more interesting than a single monolithic building taking up an entire block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I don't, but my only objection to this building is the loss of a perfectly nice existing tower. No reason they couldn't have built around it, and I think that's almost always more interesting than a single monolithic building taking up an entire block. Normally I would agree with you, but in this case I'm not sure there was a strong case for preservation. The old structure had already lost its architectural integrity from earlier remodelings, and after sitting vacant for 20 years I'm not sure what kind of shape it is in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) 20 years vacant would indicate to me that it is likely something less than perfectly nice. For usable square footage, I'm sure rehabbing that property would be significantly more expensive than tearing it down and adding that space to the new building, tosay nothing of having a less desirable and more difficult to lease property when you are done. Edited November 4, 2013 by Nate99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 So when is the dynamite going boom on that one? ^(Hopefully it wont be another tower torn down floor by floor, Im really enjoying going to all these controlled demolitions lately) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsatyr Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) I don't have a problem with this building being demolished. It's main architectural feature was removed a long time ago and I could only imagine how much it would cost to renovate a building that was vacant for so long. Edited November 4, 2013 by xsatyr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I don't have a problem with this building being demolished. It's main architectural feature was removed a long time ago and I could only imagine how much it would cost to renovate a building that was vacant for so long.Completely agreed. If we were talking about the building in all it's 1930s glory then it might be a different story, but unfortunately this building lost much of its beauty, and with it history, in the 1940s. I hope it's a controlled demo too and not a slow tedious process. I guess it's time to start keeping an eye on demolition reports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 So when is the dynamite going boom on that one? ^ (Hopefully it wont be another tower torn down floor by floor, Im really enjoying going to all these controlled demolitions lately) Bisnow is reporting that it will be deconstructed. Excavation and foundation work will begin in march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Bisnow is reporting that it will be deconstructed. Excavation and foundation work will begin in march.ugh.. i was hoping to see this one go boom. ive never made it out to a demolition before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 This building is pretty tall compared to Macy's. Would have been even more difficult since it is much skinnier than Macy's which was imploded inward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 That's a little too far off into tge future for comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky-guy Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Bisnow is reporting that it will be deconstructed. Excavation and foundation work will begin in march.Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Bisnow is reporting that it will be deconstructed. Excavation and foundation work will begin in march. It would be interesting to see how they make the call on deconstruction vs. implosion. Cost aside, I would guess that it involves height, inward implosion space/ability, and distance from surrounding structures. All that energy from falling debris has to go somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Completely agreed. If we were talking about the building in all it's 1930s glory then it might be a different story, but unfortunately this building lost much of its beauty, and with it historyI agree. The original pics show a rather attractive building, why on earth did they remove all its finery? I guess its a good thing for progress, it would have been harder to accept demolition if the building still looked attractive. At least we are getting a bigger, attractive replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I agree. The original pics show a rather attractive building, why on earth did they remove all its finery?I guess its a good thing for progress, it would have been harder to accept demolition if the building still looked attractive. At least we are getting a bigger, attractive replacement. It was removed in the name of modernization. Interesting that a similar debate is going on in the Astrodome and Macy's topics. In both cases, can the structures be modernized and re-used? I'm not convinced that remodeling to modernize ever adds long-term value, even though it runs the risk that the building sits vacant and loses value in the short-run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 It was removed in the name of modernization. Interesting that a similar debate is going on in the Astrodome and Macy's topics. In both cases, can the structures be modernized and re-used? I'm not convinced that remodeling to modernize ever adds long-term value, even though it runs the risk that the building sits vacant and loses value in the short-run. I think with Macy's it is more about re-using the building without a huge change to what it is. With the Astrodome it is about re-using the building for something much more than it is. At least that is my opinion. I want to see the Dome saved and re-used to help people and not necessarily as a convention center... As with re-using anything old change is certain, but not all change is bad. There is certainly plenty of bad change that can happen. Macy's/Foley's could have been re-used as retail with a tower above. It would not have required a drastic alteration of the building on the exterior and would have given the architects a lot of space on the interior to do something with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 How do you reuse Macys while excavating next 20-30' down to do tower mat foundations AND keep the project economically viable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 There are ways to make just about anything economically viable... that said Foley's was empty. Not in use. There is no need to make sure it remained open during construction. Again, just playing devils advocate. It can be done - but won't be. So no need to further concern our selves about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Interesting that a similar debate is going on in the Astrodome and Macy's topics. In both cases, can the structures be modernized and re-used? I'm not convinced that remodeling to modernize ever adds long-term valueI see your point but disagree on the ever adding value part.The value of repurposing is in maintaining continuity.Like Arche said the purpose must be considered. If you destroy all department store structures and replace them with modern buildings, we not only lose our, history and culture but we also lose the multifaced nature of our downtown. How are we going to fit in department stores and large groceries if we only build structures geared to the 9-5ers?In terms of the Texas tower, the value would have been in its beauty, but since that is gone there is not much vslue in renovation. Many tourists like taking architectural tours of downtowns. The Texas Tower would havevalue there over a shiny glass box, but because of what was done to it, the shiny new tower will have more value in this case Edited November 6, 2013 by HoustonIsHome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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