102IAHexpress Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 There is really no reason to turn down the development when you think about it. This city is building building building! Sure there is. It's a historical district. Have you ever seen developers grovel before the commission? It's pretty good tv. Their meetings are aired every other Wednesday I think on one of the public access channels. I think HCC tv or city of Houston tv, something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 This isn't an $800,000 house in the Heights. This is a massive, expensive, important project downtown. Even if the commission ends up having some problems with it, I don't see them stopping it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 This isn't an $800,000 house in the Heights. This is a massive, expensive, important project downtown. Even if the commission ends up having some problems with it, I don't see them stopping it. I hope they don't. But the commission denies or delays COA's very often. They deny them to home owners in the Heights and developers along main street. Like I said I hope they don't, but just because you feel it's important plays no bearing on whether a COA is approved. Nobody is putting a gun to Hine's head and forcing them to build inside a historical district. They are choosing to build there and thus are under the jurisdiction of the commission. http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/HistoricPres/HistoricPreservationManual/new_construction.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 If, for the sake of argument, HAHC denies or defers it, that will delay it a maximum of 6 weeks. it will easily pass planning commission on appeal. I sincerely doubt it will get that far though. This is a many-multi-million dollar project. HAHC is as subject to political pressure as anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I am glad there's a commission and I am glad that Hines is trying to cooperate and be respectful of the environment. Remember, an entire block fronting Market Square was destroyed in the 1980s by a developer who did the demolition in the middle of the night without permits. We then were "gifted" the wonderful Kim Son Garage instead of having a block that looked similar to where Warren's Inn is located. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Oh I'm very glad this is an historic district. Hines itself is very guilty of wiping out historic buildings without regard. Honestly I would say 609 Main is a decent example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Oh I'm very glad this is an historic district. Hines itself is very guilty of wiping out historic buildings without regard. Honestly I would say 609 Main is a decent example.609 Main is an example of wiping out historic buildings without regard? ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Sure there is. It's a historical district. Have you ever seen developers grovel before the commission? It's pretty good tv. Their meetings are aired every other Wednesday I think on one of the public access channels. I think HCC tv or city of Houston tv, something like that.This is true!I remember watching Tilman Fertitta at the podium getting the third degree when he was trying to get the Downtown Aquarium approved. Boy did they not like that guy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Remember, an entire block fronting Market Square was destroyed in the 1980s by a developer who did the demolition in the middle of the night without permits. We then were "gifted" the wonderful Kim Son Garage instead of having a block that looked similar to where Warren's Inn is located. LINK? Would like to hear more about this. TY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/8617-oldest-buildings-in-houston/ FOUND IT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchFan Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I have vague memories from the 70s of Market Square being surrounded by a lot more cool old buildings. Especially on the west and (I think) the south sides. I remember the "Kim Son" garage replacing some of them. However, the Chronicle also put in a garage in that era, but I don't recall what it replaced. Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I never get on the "save everything banner" but after reading all the articles and old threads this is depressing - what's not depressing is the amount of new activity and residential downtown - guess I am glad there's some market square left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I have vague memories from the 70s of Market Square being surrounded by a lot more cool old buildings. Especially on the west and (I think) the south sides. I remember the "Kim Son" garage replacing some of them. However, the Chronicle also put in a garage in that era, but I don't recall what it replaced. Anyone know? Is the Chronicle's garage really that "new"? It looks like it's about 200 years old. That thing really needs to be torn down. One of the biggest filthiest eyesores in downtown Houston. Gawd, I hate the Chronicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Is the Chronicle's garage really that "new"? It looks like it's about 200 years old. That thing really needs to be torn down. One of the biggest filthiest eyesores in downtown Houston. Gawd, I hate the Chronicle.Tell us how you really feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Isn't the Chronicle garage shared with the Hogg Palace residents and office workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 "A 33-story Market Square multifamily development with 289 units at 327,000 square feet. He said the company expects to be completed with this project by the first quarter of 2016" .http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/breaking-ground/2013/09/three-top-real-estate-professionals.html 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Moar renderings. Here's the best part, another apartment tower is planned, and International Tower is 46-floors. http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/Commissions/docs_pdfs/draft_reports/Ia_900_Preston_New_Const_Defferal_DRAFT.pdf 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Works for me. Where is block 35? If it's that empty block on lower Main I'll faint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Works for me. Where is block 35? If it's that empty block on lower Main I'll faint. http://downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2012-04-09/Downtown_block_numbering.pdf Block 35 is bounded by Louisiana, Preston, Milam, and Congress. Half the block is surface parking, the other half is a 5-ish story parking garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 So the Kim Son block. I assume the southern half, not demo'ing the garage. Market Square is getting some love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Moar renderings. Here's the best part, another apartment tower is planned, and International Tower is 46-floors. Rendering porn! Thanks for the info Urbannizer. And that other apartment tower is news to me. Looks like Market Square is really starting to make a return on investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg? Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before. Edited September 12, 2013 by infinite_jim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Looks interesting. The height of this building will make it nice infill Downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before. I think we have a thread about it somewhere on here - I don't remember exactly what it is supposed to be. I'm sure someone out there remembers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Wow it will have nice views of downtown skyline from floor 33! Thanks Urbannizer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) I think we have a thread about it somewhere on here - I don't remember exactly what it is supposed to be. I'm sure someone out there remembers.Well it's to the north of Frank's/BigBad bldg so maybe it's part of this development. Like a faux bldg that's actually a utilites alleyway with a facade-fence. Edited September 12, 2013 by infinite_jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Well it's to the north of Frank's/BigBad bldg so maybe it's part of this development. Like a faux bldg that's actually a utilites alleyway with a facade-fence.It's also on HAHC'S agenda:http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/Commissions/docs_pdfs/draft_reports/In_413_Travis_NewCon_Revison_DRAFT.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before.I think it must be part of the new Hines building. Makes for a better tansition to the 2-story Franks/Big Bad building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think it must be part of the new Hines building. Makes for a better tansition to the 2-story Franks/Big Bad building.I'm almost positive it is a separate plan that was announced early '13 late '12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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