bachanon Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Let's take a poll and see if HAIFers can predict the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 850 feet (i hope its taller), 62 floors. i would be awesome if we have a new supertall but im trying not to get my hopes up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I'm curious to know if the 100+ voters are hoping/guessing or have knowledge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 i threw that in for fun. Â i really wanted to choose 100+ for the hell of it but do not feel it is likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 55 Stories and 820 feet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 55 Stories and 820 feet sounds rather definitive.  55 is better than 41.  i hope it is at least that................... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I'm curious to know if the 100+ voters are hoping/guessing or have knowledge  haha, it does say the building will be "much larger" than the original proposal, but i cant really see them doubling the height.  it just seems a bit dramatic of an increase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I'm just guessing. It sounds so right though. I'll go on to guess it'll be around 1.3 Mil Sq Ft. Although he says "Much larger" I don't see it increasing by more then 50% when it comes to square feet and 150 feet when it comes to height compared to their original proposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 For some reason ''CityCentre'' comes to mind when I think of this block. Could there be a correlation? That was supposed to be what....65-stories or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) People seem to not realize just how much that crown adds on top! If you look at the schematics, that crown adds nearly 9 "floors" to the building! So if it were a 59 story building, we're talking about nearly a 68-story-looking building with that crown. This: http://www.colvilloffice.com/colvill_new/609/plans/hr_plan.png Edited July 9, 2013 by Triton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 People seem to not realize just how much that crown adds on top! If you look at the schematics, that crown adds nearly 9 "floors" to the building! So if it were a 59 story building, we're talking about nearly a 68-story-looking building with that crown. This: http://www.colvilloffice.com/colvill_new/609/plans/hr_plan.png oh wow, i didnt realize the crown was 9 floors. its sloped more than i thought. you dont think they will implement floors into the crown as part of the expansion? hopefully not for the sake of the height.. heh. my 62 floors is still plausible at 850 feet seeing as Fountain Place in Dallas is 62 floors and only 720 feet tall. though judging by the hight/floor ratio of BG Place, my estimate is probably either a little short (hopefully), or too many floors. i cant wait till the end of the year to find out the final plans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 oh wow, i didnt realize the crown was 9 floors. its sloped more than i thought. you dont think they will implement floors into the crown as part of the expansion? hopefully not for the sake of the height.. heh. my 62 floors is still plausible at 850 feet seeing as Fountain Place in Dallas is 62 floors and only 720 feet tall. though judging by the hight/floor ratio of BG Place, my estimate is probably either a little short (hopefully), or too many floors. i cant wait till the end of the year to find out the final plans.  I think office building floor heights have generally gotten quite a bit taller since Fountain Place was built. See also, the new Devon tower in Oklahoma City -- 50 floors and 850 feet tall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestUdweller Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If they increase the number of floors/height oh, let's just say... 25% for fun and really want this baby to stand out, they will probably want to increase the crown height in proportion or even greater so it flows/matches the design.. So you could potentially see a crown that is somewhere around ~12 stories. I can dream right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I think office building floor heights have generally gotten quite a bit taller since Fountain Place was built. See also, the new Devon tower in Oklahoma City -- 50 floors and 850 feet tall. very true, which is why i went back and compared it to BG Place (Hines most recent downtown tower). im sure my estimate is off, its just fun to guess.. i wasnt trying to be scientific about it when i first guessed. but if i could redo my guess i would keep it at 850 feet, but drop the floor count to 56 If they increase the number of floors/height oh, let's just say... 25% for fun and really want this baby to stand out, they will probably want to increase the crown height in proportion or even greater so it flows/matches the design.. So you could potentially see a crown that is somewhere around ~12 stories. I can dream right?i was thinking this too when i was replying last night. that would make sense that they increase the overall proportions of the whole building, increasing the height of the crown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm dreaming here BUT.... What if Hines plans to make this the tallest building. It's rare to go ahead on a tower without a major tenant. Making an iconic skyscraper for a city on the other hand may cause companies to consider this the place to go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Does Houston have any buildings of what cre people would call Class AA? Just wondering how height correlates to this standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 sounds rather definitive.  55 is better than 41.  i hope it is at least that................... for some reason the nmber 56 keeps floating into my head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper88 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Houston needs 100+ building Edited July 10, 2013 by Reaper88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Houston needs 100+ buildingWhy?What Houston needs are buildings that can get stabilized quickly. We don't need more buildings that sit empty for years and scare investors away again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Does Houston have any buildings of what cre people would call Class AA? Just wondering how height correlates to this standard.Location, level of service, amenities and finishes are much more important than height. Of course, high end amenities are more likely in larger buildings because the cost is spread out. Stream tried to market the BBVA Compass building as a class AA, but that is a joke. It doesn't have any of the amenities that most new class A buildings have these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why?What Houston needs are buildings that can get stabilized quickly. We don't need more buildings that sit empty for years and scare investors away again. Maybe he meant Houston needs 100+ buildings?  In that case he may be on to something as he didn't specify the function or size of buildings.  I'd argue that we need 100+ buildings of varying services at any given time here in Houston. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Location, level of service, amenities and finishes are much more important than height. Of course, high end amenities are more likely in larger buildings because the cost is spread out.Stream tried to market the BBVA Compass building as a class AA, but that is a joke. It doesn't have any of the amenities that most new class A buildings have these days. What Class A amenities is BBVA Compaass Plaza lacking? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) What Class A amenities is BBVA Compaass Plaza lacking?It doesn't have any amenities... Their brochure actually counts the glass facade and the parking garage as amenities. They also count the restaurants on the ground floor (under the parking garage, at the other end of the site). However, a cafeteria where the common folk can have lunch is more of an amenity than a high-end fine dining restaurant. 3009 Post Oak has conferencing facilities, 609 Main will as well, plus it will have in-building cafeteria and a fitness center. You have to have those if you want to call yourself class AA. Edited July 11, 2013 by fernz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) It doesn't have any amenities... Their brochure actually counts the glass facade and the parking garage as amenities. They also count the restaurants on the ground floor (under the parking garage, at the other end of the site). However, a cafeteria where the common folk can have lunch is more of an amenity than a high-end fine dining restaurant.3009 Post Oak has conferencing facilities, 609 Main will as well, plus it will have in-building cafeteria and a fitness center. You have to have those if you want to call yourself class AA. Okay, now you've told us what it lacks to be Class AA. (FWIW, I'm not buying that Class AA requires an in-building cafeteria and fitness center.)  I ask again, what Class A amenities does it lack? FWIW, here is the definition of Class A according to the Building Ownwers and Managers Association: According to BOMA, Class A office buildings have the "most prestigious buildings competing for premier office users with rents above average for the area." BOMA states that Class A facilities have "high quality standard finishes, state of the art systems, exceptional accessibility and a definite market presence." Edited July 11, 2013 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Okay, now you've told us what it lacks to be Class AA. (FWIW, I'm not buying that Class AA requires an in-building cafeteria and fitness center.)  I ask again, what Class A amenities does it lack? FWIW, here is the definition of Class A according to the Building Ownwers and Managers Association: According to BOMA, Class A office buildings have the "most prestigious buildings competing for premier office users with rents above average for the area." BOMA states that Class A facilities have "high quality standard finishes, state of the art systems, exceptional accessibility and a definite market presence."Classification is very subjective and not really worth debating. That said a Class "AA" building would ABSOLUTELY have to have a caferteria and fitness facility. The fact that 2200 doesn't have either removes it from any Class "AA" discussion.back to the topic at hand - anyone expecting a significant height increase for 609 will be disappointed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I am thinking 48 floors since that is what the original plans called for before it was scaled back to 41. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) Classification is very subjective and not really worth debating. That said a Class "AA" building would ABSOLUTELY have to have a caferteria and fitness facility. The fact that 2200 doesn't have either removes it from any Class "AA" discussion.  So, there are approximately zero Class AA multi-tenant office buildings in Houston currently?  Approximately zero in all of Texas? But, fwiw, I'd really still like to know what Class A amenities BBVA Compass Plaza is missing. Edited July 11, 2013 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 So, there are approximately zero Class AA multi-tenant office buildings in Houston currently?  Approximately zero in all of Texas?a. let's replace "cafeteria" with "affordable dining facilities"b. there are several 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) a. let's replace "cafeteria" with "affordable dining facilities"b. there are several Ahhh... the rules evolve. ;-)   FWIW, the idea that a "cafeteria" was required to be Class AA was my primary quibble. Suffice to say, the definition is not nearly as precise as you pretend. Class AA (even more than the other building classes) is a marketing term and really not much more than that. There are no specific rules, other than it has to be Class A+. It is not uncommon to see it used in Houston and even more so elsewhere in Texas (Dallas especially) to market buildings that lack the amenities you say are required for the designation. Edited July 12, 2013 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I'm dreaming here BUT.... What if Hines plans to make this the tallest building. It's rare to go ahead on a tower without a major tenant. Making an iconic skyscraper for a city on the other hand may cause companies to consider this the place to go! Thats what I was thinking. Why can't Houston build anything that tall when cities all over the world and here in the USA that are not doing as great as Houston are building them? Something needs to change look of the Houston skyline, its looked pretty much the same my whole life! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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