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I always had a problem with people leaving out Fort Worth, when it comes to metro population talks. It's like they forget there's a city of almost 900,000 people right by Dallas. What I'm getting at is, without Fort Worth (taking in consideration what a Fort Worth metro population would be); the now Dallas metro wouldn't even be close to the size of Houston's metro. I mean we're 2x the population of Dallas, aren't we? 

Anyway, Fort Worth should be given a lot of credit, towards getting the DFW metro population to where it is now. But as we all know, Houston is The Giant City of Texas. 

 

Now that the rant is over. 

1 hour ago, nate4l1f3 said:

I shouldn’t be as excited as I am lol

Can't wait to spot all the updated parts in google maps!

 

 

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17 hours ago, TheSirDingle said:

I always had a problem with people leaving out Fort Worth, when it comes to metro population talks. It's like they forget there's a city of almost 900,000 people right by Dallas. What I'm getting at is, without Fort Worth (taking in consideration what a Fort Worth metro population would be); the now Dallas metro wouldn't even be close to the size of Houston's metro. I mean we're 2x the population of Dallas, aren't we? 

Anyway, Fort Worth should be given a lot of credit, towards getting the DFW metro population to where it is now. But as we all know, Houston is The Giant City of Texas. 

 

Now that the rant is over. 

Can't wait to spot all the updated parts in google maps!

 

The Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Metro Area (2018 estimated population 7,539,711) is divided by the Census Bureau into two divisions:

-- Dallas-Plano-Irving (2018 estimated population 5,007,190) and

-- Fort Worth-Arlington (2018 estimated population 2,532,521, just a tiny bit larger than the San Antonio-New Braunfels metro area). 

 

If we break out the two DFW divisions, the 5 largest in Texas would be:

(1) Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land

(2) Dallas-Plano-Irving

(3) Fort Worth-Arlington

(4) San Antonio-New Braunfels (SA is gaining on FW)

(5) Austin-Round Rock

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Dallas-Ft Worth is a humongous blob. There is no center. And people who live on one end only rarely go to the other. At the end of the day, that’s the difference between Dallas and Houston. Houston is also a blob, but, as luck would have it, it’s at the center of the blob, and anyone who lives in the metro area will say they’re from Houston. Go to the “Metroplex,” and you will hear from every other person how much they hate Dallas. Which is a shame. Because Dallas—the city—is a perfectly fine and perfectly livable place (in many ways much nicer than the inner core of Houston). You ask a Houston suburbanite about Houston, they say, “Oh so much traffic.” Or “I hear there’s a lot of crime.” But they never disavow Houston. You ask a DFW suburbanite, they almost universally say, “I hate Dallas (as in the urban core of Dallas). Why would I go there?”  It’s absolutely bizarre. Maybe it’s just my experience.

 

Very strange to me that the OMB considers DFW an MSA but not Washington, DC-Baltimore or San Francisco-San Jose. The Boston region is also underrepresented. I suppose that’ll come soon. 

 

What then?

 

I guess we would slip big time in the meaningless rankings.

 

I guess our best bet is to tell College Station to work much, much harder and become the next Ft Worth. 

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 3:46 PM, TheSirDingle said:

I always had a problem with people leaving out Fort Worth, when it comes to metro population talks. It's like they forget there's a city of almost 900,000 people right by Dallas. What I'm getting at is, without Fort Worth (taking in consideration what a Fort Worth metro population would be); the now Dallas metro wouldn't even be close to the size of Houston's metro. I mean we're 2x the population of Dallas, aren't we? 

Anyway, Fort Worth should be given a lot of credit, towards getting the DFW metro population to where it is now. But as we all know, Houston is The Giant City of Texas. 

 

Now that the rant is over. 

Can't wait to spot all the updated parts in google maps!

 

 

 

The combined DFW population has some meaning because it is viewed as a "market size" by many national firms choosing which markets to expand to, do business in, etc. So Dallas tends to get national retail chains before we do; this is also because they are seen as "more like the rest of the nation," partly because of location, partly because of demographics. They also tend to attract companies that want a southwest location or a Texas location. More national real estate brokerages have offices in Dallas (or larger offices) and the Dallas office often handles the whole state. The airport factors in as well; the metro size makes the airport bigger and the airport in turn helps draw more companies to the metro in a virtuous cycle. And believe me, DFW does not shy from using their metro size ("Texas' largest metro!") in marketing themselves. If we ever passed them in metro size, it would be a great coup.

 

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On 5/6/2019 at 12:43 AM, mattyt36 said:

Dallas-Ft Worth is a humongous blob. There is no center. And people who live on one end only rarely go to the other. At the end of the day, that’s the difference between Dallas and Houston. Houston is also a blob, but, as luck would have it, it’s at the center of the blob, and anyone who lives in the metro area will say they’re from Houston. Go to the “Metroplex,” and you will hear from every other person how much they hate Dallas. Which is a shame. Because Dallas—the city—is a perfectly fine and perfectly livable place (in many ways much nicer than the inner core of Houston). You ask a Houston suburbanite about Houston, they say, “Oh so much traffic.” Or “I hear there’s a lot of crime.” But they never disavow Houston. You ask a DFW suburbanite, they almost universally say, “I hate Dallas (as in the urban core of Dallas). Why would I go there?”  It’s absolutely bizarre. Maybe it’s just my experience.

 

Very strange to me that the OMB considers DFW an MSA but not Washington, DC-Baltimore or San Francisco-San Jose. The Boston region is also underrepresented. I suppose that’ll come soon. 

 

What then?

 

I guess we would slip big time in the meaningless rankings.

 

I guess our best bet is to tell College Station to work much, much harder and become the next Ft Worth. 

There is a population ranking for world  "urban agglomeration"  which does that. I believe it is from Germany. There numbers are different from the OBM. Obviously this is not an exact science.

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It has to be safe to say that we are in a second boom for this decade, with 2011-2014 being the last one. So funny looking back how so many companies (especially CBRE) studying the market after the 2014 downturn said they saw a good recovery come 2018 and 2019.... and they were right!

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5 hours ago, Luminare said:

Since the previous image I posted in the Regent Square thread was so well received, I thought I'd do another one, but with a bigger scope that includes other big projects (not all for sure).

 

Often times, I forget that not everyone can immediately see the bigger picture like this in their head (because this is what I see all the time, and I have to for my own work), and images like these could be beneficial to everyone here (even me). So I decided that I'll try to do more of these. Our city is really changing and growing, and it will help us all to better visualize that change. A picture is worth a thousand words right?

 

Below is a quick compilation that I did in photoshop to give everyone here an idea of how impactful these developments will be visual on our existing landscape.

 

If the full buildout is done then this is what our city will look like:

 

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Superb!

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ZC has a number of projects not yet listed on their website.

 

http://zieglercooper.com/urban-residential/

 

New projects:

Morgan Yale - W 4th. & Yale St.

Upper Kirby Confidential High-Rise: 2807 Bammel Lane (Villa Borghese site)

 

Projects we already know ZC is behind:

Confidential Mid-Rise: Novel River Oaks

Confidential Hotel & Residences: 3737 Buffalo Speedway Phase II

Confidential Hotel: Loews Regency

 

 UrbanResidential_Map-940x626.jpg

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Back to the whole population question, this article from the Kinder Institute should put into perspective that Houston surpassing Chicago is not a given by any means.  Not that that necessarily is a bad thing ... but I’m sure much of the article may come as a surprise to many, in particular the net domestic migration. I’m sure the stats for LA and Miami look similar in terms of components of population change, even omitting the large drops in domestic migration in 2016 and 2017.  Are there any demographers out there? That out-migration is pretty spectacular ... I wonder if there are any historical parallels for a single year.

 

https://kinder.rice.edu/2018/04/10/houston-suburbs-are-booming-harris-county-not

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Interesting article, a little worrisome but these trends seem to ebb and flow so hopefully it will bounce back. I personally would only consider living in the city or well outside of it. The middle ground seems to have the worst of both rural living and urban living with few of the advantages of either. 

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The number of Houston-area apartments permitted in the 12 months ended April 30 was up 200 percent over the previous year, elevating Houston to the No. 2 spot of top metros ranked for permit activity, new data shows

 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Houston-apartment-permits-triple-from-a-year-ago-13942693.php

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11 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

Back to the whole population question, this article from the Kinder Institute should put into perspective that Houston surpassing Chicago is not a given by any means.  Not that that necessarily is a bad thing ... but I’m sure much of the article may come as a surprise to many, in particular the net domestic migration. I’m sure the stats for LA and Miami look similar in terms of components of population change, even omitting the large drops in domestic migration in 2016 and 2017.  Are there any demographers out there? That out-migration is pretty spectacular ... I wonder if there are any historical parallels for a single year.

 

https://kinder.rice.edu/2018/04/10/houston-suburbs-are-booming-harris-county-not

 

38 minutes ago, Triton said:

 

There just cant be near the number of New single family builds inside the loop / Harris county, as there will be in the suburbs. When we rely on multifamily units to boost our population, we need to remember it will eb and flow with economic conditions.

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11 minutes ago, Avossos said:

 

 

There just cant be near the number of New single family builds inside the loop / Harris county, as there will be in the suburbs. When we rely on multifamily units to boost our population, we need to remember it will eb and flow with economic conditions.

 

Not really surprised. Its interesting data though. Suburbs have historically been easy access ways into large cities because typically its expensive to live in the interior of an urban area. We have seen enormous growth in the interior in past years, but this was mostly because it was so cheap and sparsely populated for so long. It seems that in this first round of urban growth things might be plateauing in regards to domestic and internationals coming in from other places until more units are built and what is already existing ages more until it becomes more affordable and then the cycle will turn. What I have been seeing is most of the people that are moving into town are people that have been living in the suburbs for long periods of time, or their kids are moving into town. Its also interesting that where you lived in suburbia also informs where you will live within 610. Here in Montrose, most people I have meet, the younger crowd, are coming from Memorial, Katy, Energy Corridor, Cinco Ranch, etc... When I go to The Heights, again the younger crowd, its from places like Cypress, Tomball, Klein, The Woodlands, Spring, etc... Where I've been seeing more Domestic expats and International expats that immediately move into the city and not the suburbs are in places like Midtown, EaDo, East End, and now they are trickling into 3rd Ward. Again though this isn't surprising since there aren't a lot of vast exterior suburbs to the East of town for people to move from with the exception of those in the South like Clear Lake, etc... (which I haven't had a lot of contact with interesting enough so my sampling will be skewed. Would like some additional support here).

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20 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

Back to the whole population question, this article from the Kinder Institute should put into perspective that Houston surpassing Chicago is not a given by any means.  Not that that necessarily is a bad thing ... but I’m sure much of the article may come as a surprise to many, in particular the net domestic migration. I’m sure the stats for LA and Miami look similar in terms of components of population change, even omitting the large drops in domestic migration in 2016 and 2017.  Are there any demographers out there? That out-migration is pretty spectacular ... I wonder if there are any historical parallels for a single year.

 

https://kinder.rice.edu/2018/04/10/houston-suburbs-are-booming-harris-county-not

 

Interesting article. My guess is this. Most of our blue-collar workers live in Harris County, while the other counties are more white collar. When the oil bust hit, the oil industry shed about 300,000 mostly blue collar jobs, all across the country but concentrated in Houston. Most of those jobs have not come back. Many people had moved here short term to work those jobs, just like people moved to Williston, ND, and Midland-Odessa. When they lost their jobs, they moved out.

 

If Harris County still isn't growing in a couple years then I will worry; until then, I'm not concerned.

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46 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Interesting article. My guess is this. Most of our blue-collar workers live in Harris County, while the other counties are more white collar. When the oil bust hit, the oil industry shed about 300,000 mostly blue collar jobs, all across the country but concentrated in Houston. Most of those jobs have not come back. Many people had moved here short term to work those jobs, just like people moved to Williston, ND, and Midland-Odessa. When they lost their jobs, they moved out.

 

If Harris County still isn't growing in a couple years then I will worry; until then, I'm not concerned.

 

Agreed. Its kinda like that spike in Homelessness that was stated in that one article, but then it went down once people that normally wouldn't be homeless found shelter again. Its why I didn't really care for the guy in the article saying "those days are over". If we simply pulled that frame further out and look at the overall Houston population trend? Its going up and at faster rates than the cities that were talked about. We are growing at a faster pace than a city like Chicago. Its why I'm not concerned either. Its weird because they have the data, but are looking at it from a microscope level and not looking at overall trends as well. You also can't just look at data in the abstract. Its only part of the equation. People always seem to get that part of statistics wrong.

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20 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

Back to the "world cities" discussion . . . Houston moved up 6 spaces to 35 in ATKearney's ranking of global cities.

 

https://www.atkearney.com/global-cities/2019

 

From the article:

 

"Houston jumps from 41 to 35, largely because it is attracting more global firms. The city also improved its relevance in search results, a metric that indicates heightened interest. "

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17 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

From the article:

 

"Houston jumps from 41 to 35, largely because it is attracting more global firms. The city also improved its relevance in search results, a metric that indicates heightened interest. "

 

As long as it wasn't because it was part of a string that included "flooding" . . .

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On 6/6/2019 at 10:39 AM, mattyt36 said:

Net domestic migration of -40k during a period of national economic expansion cannot be written off as an “ebb and flow.” Those numbers are truly shocking, at least to me.

 

All the freeway widening projects are doing their job. They are moving people into other counties. 

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