hindesky Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Working on the main entrance. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UtterlyUrban Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Has anyone received a plate plan for this building? Just looking at the building from the outside, it seems to me that not all the units will have balconies. Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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downtownian Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 This listing is for a 564 sq foot 1-bedroom for $1,875/month. The listing states opening is November. http://realestate.marthaturner.com/Sites/MTP/dispSearch.cfm?mlnum=92314908#_self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 The glass-bottom pool extending over the edge of the building sounds awesome (maybe a bit scary too) !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 hour ago, downtownian said: This listing is for a 564 sq foot 1-bedroom for $1,875/month. The listing states opening is November. http://realestate.marthaturner.com/Sites/MTP/dispSearch.cfm?mlnum=92314908#_self I think that's actually a studio even though the Martha Turner listing says 1BR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adr Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 They dropped off some matchbooks and koozies at the bar the other night. They have signed some retail, which apparently includes a dog grooming joint and a yoga studio. They aren't yet ready to reveal their tenant for the largest retail space. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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area Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 On 6/8/2016 at 10:08 AM, HoustonMidtown said: I think that's actually a studio even though the Martha Turner listing says 1BR This is the model unit --- it's a 1BR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 6 hours ago, area said: This is the model unit --- it's a 1BR. It's 564 sq ft - that's a studio according to http://www.marketsquaretower.com/residences/#sp The smallest 1 BR is 814 sq ft 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UtterlyUrban Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 On June 14, 2016 at 10:53 AM, CrockpotandGravel said: Please let it be a grocery store. How big is the largest retail space that they have? Phoencia is a good example of an urban grocery on two stories. I don't know how many sq get it is. Would the space in this tower even come close to the size of Phoencia? And, if not, what are people's opinion as to the "smallest" effective size for an urban grocer? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Smallest is hard to say, but 20,000 square feet is a good size for an urban grocer. Most Trader Joe's are roughly that size I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 On 6/16/2016 at 8:36 AM, Texasota said: Smallest is hard to say, but 20,000 square feet is a good size for an urban grocer. Most Trader Joe's are roughly that size I believe. You won't find grocers that small, ever, unless they're a specialty grocer or a rinky dink operator in smaller towns (Arlan's Market has a 15,000 square feet grocery store in Navasota...I think they have a meat area but that's about it as far as specialized department go), and I still think it's a hard sell for a Trader Joe's unless major strings were being pulled. H-E-B did open a 12,000 square feet store in downtown San Antonio, but that was the first downtown grocery store in S.A. and I'm not sure they're ready to attempt to replicate the store in the near future. 365 by Whole Foods average 30,000 square feet, and everything else just goes up. "Real" supermarkets tend to go for 40k-60k square feet, even in urban areas. The Randalls in Midtown is a little over 60,000 square feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayjay Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I actually think that a grocer could work in that amount of square footage. Looking at Dallas for examples, the Whole Foods off McKinney Avenue in Uptown if 44k SF so that probably wouldn't work, but the Trader Joe's off Cole Avenue in the Knox area is only around 15k SF. So Trader Joe's could work here for sure! Or even a smaller grocer that carries more specialty items like Dean & DeLuca or Royal Blue from Austin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 58 minutes ago, rayjay said: I actually think that a grocer could work in that amount of square footage. Looking at Dallas for examples, the Whole Foods off McKinney Avenue in Uptown if 44k SF so that probably wouldn't work, but the Trader Joe's off Cole Avenue in the Knox area is only around 15k SF. So Trader Joe's could work here for sure! Or even a smaller grocer that carries more specialty items like Dean & DeLuca or Royal Blue from Austin. Like I said, if Trader Joe's ends up locating in downtown Houston it would require some serious string-pulling on the part of the developer, because it requires education levels AND high population counts, which I doubt downtown has. If you don't count the population currently incarcerated (believe it or not this will skew demographic counts), then the population count won't work at all given the relatively slim amount of people living there (downtown gets pretty dead on weekends), and if you DO, then the education level (which Trader Joe's looks at) will plummet. If the square feet is small, and it is a grocery store, then maybe I can see Aldi locating there, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarathonMan Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 9 hours ago, IronTiger said: Like I said, if Trader Joe's ends up locating in downtown Houston it would require some serious string-pulling on the part of the developer, because it requires education levels AND high population counts, which I doubt downtown has. If you don't count the population currently incarcerated (believe it or not this will skew demographic counts), then the population count won't work at all given the relatively slim amount of people living there (downtown gets pretty dead on weekends), and if you DO, then the education level (which Trader Joe's looks at) will plummet. If the square feet is small, and it is a grocery store, then maybe I can see Aldi locating there, though. I'd submit that Phoenicia requires a higher education level than Trader Joe's, and it's thriving downtown. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) They have a 19003 square foot space available in one block, and it apparently has 18-22 for ceilings. We can look to the other side of downtown Houston for an easy example of how a grocer could make that work. Put in a mezanine over part of the space and voila, you can have 28,000 square feet (which is what the apparently -successful Phoenicia has). Edited June 18, 2016 by Houston19514 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 5 hours ago, MarathonMan said: I'd submit that Phoenicia requires a higher education level than Trader Joe's, and it's thriving downtown. Yeah, but local businesses don't scrutinize location the same way national chains do (that goes for everything). Best case scenario is an ALDI or a specialty gourmet grocer the developer has coaxed in, and even those are doubtful (remember, no confirmation that there WILL be grocery). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 18 hours ago, IronTiger said: You won't find grocers that small, ever, unless they're a specialty grocer or a rinky dink operator in smaller towns (Arlan's Market has a 15,000 square feet grocery store in Navasota...I think they have a meat area but that's about it as far as specialized department go), and I still think it's a hard sell for a Trader Joe's unless major strings were being pulled. H-E-B did open a 12,000 square feet store in downtown San Antonio, but that was the first downtown grocery store in S.A. and I'm not sure they're ready to attempt to replicate the store in the near future. 365 by Whole Foods average 30,000 square feet, and everything else just goes up. "Real" supermarkets tend to go for 40k-60k square feet, even in urban areas. The Randalls in Midtown is a little over 60,000 square feet. Sure you will. HEB does not really build many urban grocery stores, so it's not a great example. You really need to look at denser cities to find better examples, or at grocery stores built 10-20 years ago that are still open and busy (older Whole Foods locations for example. ) Trader Joe's specifically might not be interested in the location, but the size of their stores is totally in line. Locally, Phoenicia is a great example. Does the 28,000 sf include the MKT bar area? I could definitely see one company putting a grocery store in the larger space and using a neighboring space as a quasi-attached bar/restaurant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 My go-to store in Boston was Foodie's Urban Market. It's only 8,500 square feet. You obviously couldn't get "everything" you'd want, but it had a small produce section, a nice meat/cheese counter, one organic aisle, and all the basic essentials (just not a ton of choices for things like chips, bread, milk, etc...). It did a booming lunch business on Washington St. with the working crowd. Something like that would work well in Market Square. Offer something for the lunch crowd, and basic essentials (milk, cheese, bread, toothpaste, iceberg lettuce, etc...) for the local residents. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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area Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 On 6/14/2016 at 6:13 AM, HoustonMidtown said: It's 564 sq ft - that's a studio according to http://www.marketsquaretower.com/residences/#sp The smallest 1 BR is 814 sq ft Ah I see that now. Well the pictures come from the 1BR model unit (GL layout I believe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Timoric Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) - Edited July 10, 2019 by Timoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nole23 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 ^ Can't wait for the old post office site to be redeveloped. There is so much potential for that plot of land. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nativehoustonion Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Skyscraper.com states 2929 Weslayan is 533 feet tall and Market Square is 510 feet tall. So it is not the tallest highrise in Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 skyscraperpage.com what a long night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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