JamesL Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Orlando just built a rail line that is longer than all of ours combined. ...that runs once every 150 minutes during midday and not at all after 10pm or on weekends. Not something that makes me the slightest bit envious. Ten bucks says its ridership (free fare period not withstanding) never surpasses the Katy Freeway Park & Rides, currently about 6,500 boardings a day. Perhaps the most important criterion for pedestrian friendliness is distance between safe places to cross the street. Crossing the street is where people get injured and killed. Think 249 inside the beltway where there have been multiple fatalities in the past year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 ...that runs once every 150 minutes during midday and not at all after 10pm or on weekends. Not something that makes me the slightest bit envious. Ten bucks says its ridership (free fare period not withstanding) never surpasses the Katy Freeway Park & Rides, currently about 6,500 boardings a day.Perhaps the most important criterion for pedestrian friendliness is distance between safe places to cross the street. Crossing the street is where people get injured and killed. Think 249 inside the beltway where there have been multiple fatalities in the past year.We will see; when done it will be 60+ miles. Our park and rides run only once an hour midday and not at all on the weekends. In addition they are subject to speed of the HOV lanes which in some corridors is not nearly as fast as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) We will see; when done it will be 60+ miles. Our park and rides run only once an hour midday and not at all on the weekends. In addition they are subject to speed of the HOV lanes which in some corridors is not nearly as fast as expected. Actually the transit time for Orlando rail is slower than park and ride. Orlando travel time is 63 minutes to go 31 miles. Park and Ride from Grand Parkway to Downtown is 48 minutes to go 27 miles. - Apologies for the off-topic Edited June 21, 2014 by livincinco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Actually the transit time for Orlando rail is slower than park and ride. Orlando travel time is 63 minutes to go 31 miles. Park and Ride from Grand Parkway to Downtown is 48 minutes to go 27 miles.- Apologies for the off-topicThat's the ideal situation. HOV lanes are subject to congestion and random incidents as well more often than you would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Meanwhile, back on the topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) I'm going to go with Northshore. Parts of the main thoroughfares (Normanday, Woodforest) have no sidewalks at all, and people have to just walk in the grass. It's on the Northeast side, but is kind of like Southwest Houston in that it has a high percentage of residents that live in aparments, many of which don't have cars. The roads are ridiculously busy, and careless drivers are never looking for pedestrians. At least with Montrose, Midtown, and many areas inside the loop, people encounter cyclists and pedestrians enough to at least be ready for the possibility of encountering one. But in Northshore, cars are just likely to mow you down. Edited July 14, 2014 by totheskies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trymahjong Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 HmmmmmmAre you asking for specifics?When we park across the street from Katz then try to use the painted cross walk to get to Katz-- we always get a heart racing dash, since the cars go so fast or the traffic has backed up to Stanford and when we try to thread our way thru-- the light changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 I actually did cross the street at Westheimer to get to Katz. I ate there a few years ago, but I honestly don't remember it being TOO traumatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 as the traffic has increased, so has the daring nature of the crosswalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 It's pretty crazy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 A significant number of the outside the loop neighborhoods were built without any sidewalks at all - the only reason you don't get mown down walking in the street is because it's quiet, residential traffic. The other reason you don't get mown down is that those same neighborhoods are usually built with only one or two thru streets. All those cul-de-sac roads that urban planners complain about also make it quieter traffic-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I've been all around houston. Sunny side, fifth ward, Jensen, gulfton, third ward before gentrification, places you wouldn't go if someone paid you. Leave your talking points to college station. Aren't all those places inside or very near the loop? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 HmmmmmmAre you asking for specifics?When we park across the street from Katz then try to use the painted cross walk to get to Katz-- we always get a heart racing dash, since the cars go so fast or the traffic has backed up to Stanford and when we try to thread our way thru-- the light changes. Katz's is a bad spot because of the zig-zag Westheimer does there. You can't see the cars coming and they can't see you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The sidewalks in my neighborhood are great, but I suppose it's politically incorrect to say that. The sidewalks in my area are pretty good, too, and I am inside the city limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I would think Westheimer from 610 West Loop to Highway 6 would be the worst. Vehicular traffic + the volume of major roads that cross it + narrow sidewalks in many parts = pedestrian nightmare Westheimer outside the loop is no big deal to cross. There are plenty of stop lights and well marked crosswalks as well as sidewalks on both sides. I cross Westheimer on foot or on bicycle frequently and see others do the same every day. It's no big deal. I'm not sure who is doing the construction (Harris County maybe?), but they are in the process of building nice, wide sidewalks west of Eldridge all the way to Hwy 6. Once that's done, you will be able to walk on the sidewalk from west of West Oaks Mall all the way to downtown. Factor in cutting through George Bush Park on it's hike and bike trails and you can get all the way to the far side of Cinco Ranch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Once that's done, you will be able to walk on the sidewalk from west of West Oaks Mall all the way to downtown. Factor in cutting through George Bush Park on it's hike and bike trails and you can get all the way to the far side of Cinco Ranch. Why stop at downtown, you'll be able to commute on foot from westoaks mall all the way to UH on sidewalks! Don't plan on going any farther though, cause that's where it all falls apart. Once elgin turns to go under spur 5 and 45 the sidewalk ends, of course (there's a nice rut of mud where the sidewalk should be though), it picks back up on lockwood and goes on for years. I wonder, once this sidewalk is completed, could this be the longest unbroken sidewalk in Houston, perhaps even Texas, or possibly even in the world? (he asks, only partially tongue in cheek). Oh, in case anyone was wondering, Google maps says it will take 6 hours and 15 minutes to walk from west oaks mall to UH. If you choose to go for metro though, it cuts the journey down to just over 2 hours, convenient! Edited July 15, 2014 by samagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Google has the Walk at a very slow pace. And the Inner Loop is only 15% of Houston's land by area (~20% population) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Why stop at downtown, you'll be able to commute on foot from westoaks mall all the way to UH on sidewalks! Don't plan on going any farther though, cause that's where it all falls apart. Once elgin turns to go under spur 5 and 45 the sidewalk ends, of course (there's a nice rut of mud where the sidewalk should be though), it picks back up on lockwood and goes on for years. I wonder, once this sidewalk is completed, could this be the longest unbroken sidewalk in Houston, perhaps even Texas, or possibly even in the world? (he asks, only partially tongue in cheek). Actually, I had this in mind as I wrote that post... http://www.houstonpress.com/2006-10-12/news/the-sole-of-houston/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pderry11 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Perhaps somewhat ironically, despite there being LRT in the area, the region just south of the med center along Braeswood is particularly bad. Missing sidewalks, fallen down fences (looking at you, Flood Control District) burnt out street lights and relatively long distances between lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Perhaps somewhat ironically, despite there being LRT in the area, the region just south of the med center along Braeswood is particularly bad. Missing sidewalks, fallen down fences (looking at you, Flood Control District) burnt out street lights and relatively long distances between lights.Another good way to tell is to look at the barriers and curbs. If the trees and lamp posts are all smashed from reckless drivers, it's a good indication that this is a potentially dangerous route to be on. I've walked that area and aside from crossing the vast parking lots (preferable to the sidewalks) it's a no man's land (but I walked off my Smashburger). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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