bobruss Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I think they are on a high spot above the park. It fills in the space that had been the home of the YWCA. No pun intended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Luminare said: Fair, but lets see how we got to this point, and why I had to say what I said to get you to clarify exactly what you wanted me to answer. This was the foundational statement which everything else was built on. I had to know if this still played a factor in what you wanted to know. I'm not going to make the assumption that this doesn't still hold true for you in this conversation, so my initial goal was to try and omit this and move on. Its in this statement that you begin to make initial comparisons of false equivalence focusing on an aesthetic rather than the program and context itself, but I needed to understand where the false equivalence was coming from. This is also were you make your initial statement on what you perceive to be "inviting" and "interacting". Again I needed to understand what this was in relation to. Without us knowing what the false equivalence is (from the listeners viewpoint), you then further build the case aesthetically what you prefer over others, and what you deem to be "inviting" and "interacting". You also make it clear that you do have a bias in what transparent means, but again, what is the comparison. From these initial points it seemed that you were comparing the Endowment to the MFAH as if they were like-like comparisons. Something which had to be addressed and untangled. This actually then made things more confusing because while you conceded one point about the museum, the listener still doesn't understand where your initial perspective is on this topic and why you are making your initial comparisons. What is your initial comparison that that informs your notions about what is more inviting and that the "full facade matters"? Again the listener still thinks that your comparison is between the Endowment (an office building) and the MFAH expansion (an art gallery). NOW we have found the false equivalence and what you were ACTUALLY comparing both the MFAH and the Endowment too. As you can see this was in no way clear. If you frame your argument to just this one quote then it is clear, but to the conversation as a whole it isn't clear. With the evidence above this was a hornets nest to unravel to get hone in on what specifically you were asking for. This is why I had to infer these things. Thankfully you did clarify, but only at this point. Now you see why I made the claim this was opaque. You do tend to do this by the way, and I wanted further clarification. AIC does not equal to MFAH and does not equal to Endowment Your origination point of comparison was the AIC to MFAH aesthetically, but was masked by this topic of the Endowment which has a similar aesthetic, but is a different program/function. Knowing the basis for this I can say: There was no light issue as their was with MFAH because the program, client, and context called for something different. There were probably light issues associated with the AIC, but of a different kind, and not similar to the MFAH. So while you do prefer the AIC aesthetically, and while its possible the MFAH could have done this same aesthetics, the MFAH had different set of constraints which probably prevented it from looking comparable to the AIC. With that being said, both are actually very transparent, but in different ways that relate to their context and while what you perceive as "transparent" "inviting" and "interacting" is more a matter of opinion than something objectively true, it doesn't make what you said wrong, but it does distort your comparison because you omitting a lot of different variables that were at play for each project. See what I had to get through just to get to this answer? I’m convinced crockpot and Lumi are the same person😛 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, bobruss said: I think they are on a high spot above the park. It fills in the space that had been the home of the YWCA. No pun intended. The YWCA was no more after Allison (memory, I was 10). Father’s place on Blossom was one of the few town homes that didn’t flood in the area but water made it up to their garage door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Amazing.I stand corrected. Blossom is a good distance from the bayou also. That's really remarkable. We were living in the Wagon Works building. a block from the bayou and Elysian viaduct, and fortunately didn't flood. Then I hope they have plans for raising the grade before building. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted January 7, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 http://kevindalyarchitects.com/projects/#/project/houston-endowment-headquarters 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talltexan83 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Reminds me a lot of a new building on the Yale campus (I believe it is the business school) My apologies if it is mentioned earlier, but is the new pedestrian bridge over Memorial part of this project? Or part of the long-term plan for the bayou? It would be great to have another connection to this park. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 That looks like it's going to be a beautiful building. But I sure wish they had kept their offices downtown and made an architectural (and urban) statement where Jesse Jones surely would have wanted them to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted February 3, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 SCHAUM/SHIEH and HKS Architects concept https://acochran.com/work/houston-endowment-headquarters-competition-landscape-architecture/ 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxConcrete Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) The overhead view is interesting because of the street features. The loop connectors at Waugh and Memorial are gone. The intersection appears to remain grade-separated, with a single-point urban interchange (SPUI) style of intersection at Waugh, which would gain a traffic signal. I have seen the SPUI listed in HGAC's long term documents. Waugh is realigned to straighten the curve. This realignment would appear to necessitate a new bridge over the bayou since the existing bridge is angled and would not line up with a straighter alignment. But that bridge is also the bat colony, so I'm thinking its removal would be a wildlife impact, which could prevent its removal. So this concept may be more speculative than potential future reality. The loop connectors do use a lot of land. I don't see a compelling need for more park space in this area because there is already of abundance of well-developed parkland in the area. But in today's climate, the road is going to lose in road vs. park. Two new soccer fields could potentially fit on the northwest quadrant if Waugh is realigned and the loop connectors removed. Edited February 4, 2020 by MaxConcrete 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMIKA! Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Urbannizer said: SCHAUM/SHIEH and HKS Architects concept https://acochran.com/work/houston-endowment-headquarters-competition-landscape-architecture/ So happy they did not choose this design! I want to root for Schaum Shieh because they’re local, but their buildings are either boring or try too hard, in my opinion. This design looks like a slightly updated version of one of the hundreds of mediocre suburban office buildings out Gessner or FM 1960. Edited February 4, 2020 by TOMIKA! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted February 26, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2020 Deborah Perke Partners: https://competitions.malcolmreading.com/houstonendowment/finalists/deborah-berke-partners Olson Kundig (listed as ‘honorable mention’) https://competitions.malcolmreading.com/houstonendowment/finalists/olson-kundig Now that we see all the finalist entries I personally wish they went with Olson Kundig. The design ties in with with existing structures at Buffalo Bayou. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Urbannizer said: Deborah Perke Partners: https://competitions.malcolmreading.com/houstonendowment/finalists/deborah-berke-partners Olson Kundig (listed as ‘honorable mention’) https://competitions.malcolmreading.com/houstonendowment/finalists/olson-kundig Now that we see all the finalist entries I personally wish they went with Olson Kundig. The design ties in with with existing structures at Buffalo Bayou. agree wholeheartedly. love that design exactly for that reason. which isn't to say i'm not happy w the design chosen. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Going to go ahead and post the boards from Kevin Daly Architects entry. I think its a good window into just how much work gets put into a competition like this, and the drawings that go with it including drawings that don't often get posted on here which are extremely important to understanding our work in Architecture, and how a building comes together. Most only get to see the pretty picture or "money shot" image, but there are so many great drawings that go unnoticed or just don't get released. For me, one of my favorite drawings is the Section Perspective, and there is a really good one on the last board. I still think that the KDA entry is the best, but looking at the Olson Kundig entry, it reminds me why I was hoping they would come out on top. As someone who prefers regionalism of the critical variety, I like how they paid homage to bayou construction done recently, and their approach to materials. Schaum/Shieh's entry makes a lot more sense now as well when you look at their boards. They were very inward focused in their design choosing to develop a finely crafted interior space with interesting networks instead of projecting outwards like the other entries, but due to this the outside just feels a little too incognito for what this building should be. If people here want to see all the boards just go to the link posted above, but if people are feeling a little lazy then just let me know and I'll grab all the boards and post them below. Below are the Kevin Daly Architects boards: 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I'm actually a big fan of the Kevin Daly. My question is (and I have a hard time puzzling it out from the renderings/schematics) is there any plan to expand the park if indeed the clover interchange is removed? Is the clover interchange removal likely to be soon? Sorry if this is a little tangential to the matter at hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxConcrete Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, EllenOlenska said: I'm actually a big fan of the Kevin Daly. My question is (and I have a hard time puzzling it out from the renderings/schematics) is there any plan to expand the park if indeed the clover interchange is removed? Is the clover interchange removal likely to be soon? Sorry if this is a little tangential to the matter at hand. The removal of the cloverleaf at Memorial/Waugh is currently listed for year 2042 in H-GAC planning documents. It is not listed in the current 4-year or 10-year plans. See appendix D of the 2045 MTP (it should be somewhere on the H-GAC site, I have a saved copy). With its super-high price tag of $224 million for the overall project (although cloverleaf removal is surely only a small part of the total), I would rate this project as speculative depending on future financial conditions. 18142 Harris Waugh/Heights From IH 10 to NEVADA/BOMAR RECONSTRUCT AND REALIGN WITH SINGLE POINT URBAN INTERCHANGE AT MEMORIAL DRIVE, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS IMPROVED TRANSIT STOPS AND DETENTION PONDS. 2042 $223.59 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paco Jones Posted May 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2020 Earthwork is set to begin in October 2020. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 No more basketball court? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 11 hours ago, Triton said: No more basketball court? I'm fairly certain this does not affect that area of Spotts Park at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Visitor said: I'm fairly certain this does not affect that area of Spotts Park at all. I was asking based off this: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Triton said: I was asking based off this: Edit: Never mind, looks like they're keeping the volleyball courts but nixing the basketball courts. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Triton said: I was asking based off this: This park needs some love, if we are honest. If this materializes like the rendering, there is hope that Houston Endowment will be helping fund a Spotts Park renovation! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveydogwood Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Avossos said: This park needs some love, if we are honest. If this materializes like the rendering, there is hope that Houston Endowment will be helping fund a Spotts Park renovation! I believe the basketball court is being moved to the far left side of the park - highlighted in orange on the masterplan. Edited June 9, 2020 by daveydogwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Triton said: I was asking based off this: I stand corrected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, daveydogwood said: I believe the basketball court is being moved to the far left side of the park - highlighted in orange on the masterplan. Edited: I was looking at the wrong side. Hoping as others the park gets an improvement along with the Endowment building. Edited June 9, 2020 by Visitor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 21 hours ago, daveydogwood said: I believe the basketball court is being moved to the far left side of the park - highlighted in orange on the masterplan. That's good. The hoity toity folks to the East of the park tried to get the basketball court removed a while back, because it attracted "undesirables", ie, people of color who didn't live in the neighborhood. Imagine the horror of having to watch people who don't look like you play basketball in a public park from the windows of your $600k townhouse. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
por favor gracias Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 8:53 AM, Montrose1100 said: Edit: Never mind, looks like they're keeping the volleyball courts but nixing the basketball courts. Looks like they're also adding a shit load of buildings downtown. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRFkris Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 What is this building supposed to be for exactly? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ZRFkris said: What is this building supposed to be for exactly? It's the Houston Endowment's future Headquarters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRFkris Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Is that all or is there any other functions it would serve? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paco Jones Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 Updated renderings. Construction is now set to begin mid-November. 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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