Subdude Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Has anyone heard about this place? In the book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest danax Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Any idea where that was/is? There are some real relics still festering over near the channel but I don't believe I've seen that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 It was at 1515 McCarty Drive. It's just a vacant lot now. A photo in the 1972 AIA guide shows it that was enlarged compared to this picture. Looking at this place you just know that it was nasty, although I don't think anything could top that Four Palms place on Telephone that Heights2Bastrop described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 i am looking at the '72 guide now...that's classy! hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Julio Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 The Autotel "Blue Room" was a famed live music spot in the 1940s for western swing bands. Everybody from Bob Wills on down played there. There were live broadcasts from there on stations like KATL. It did not have a seedy "whorehouse" reputation at that time. That came later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heights2Bastrop Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 although I don't think anything could top that Four Palms place on Telephone that Heights2Bastrop describedAlthough I knew about the Four Palms, I never went there. However, I did go to Vagabond many a time. It was a popular club in the middle of a motel on I-45 north of Crosstimbers. If you didn't get lucky at the Vagabond, it was because you didn't want to.The women I encountered there were, shall we say, "very friendly". But I never met one who I thought was a professional. However, I am pretty sure there were businesswomen there at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Has anyone heard about this place? In the book “In a Narrow Grave” , Larry McMurty called this “the most extraordinary example of Mexican saloon-and-whorehouse architecture north of the border.” It was built in 1937 primarily for workers and sailors from the ship channel. The back of this card helpfully notes that two could stay for the price of one, and even offers up a “Slogan Prayer”: “Oh Lord, please help me to keep my nose out of other people’s business.” The car on that postcard looks like a 1930s/1940s model. The car says that the rooms are air conditioned. I didn't know that air conditioning existed back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1fd Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 The car on that postcard looks like a 1930s/1940s model. The car says that the rooms are air conditioned. I didn't know that air conditioning existed back then.Yep...it actually existed before then. In fact, the first air conditioned building west of the Mississippi is a church in Orange Texas...back in 1912. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Yep...it actually existed before then. In fact, the first air conditioned building west of the Mississippi is a church in Orange Texas...back in 1912.You taught me something new. My parents live in Orange. I live just down the road in Bridge City. It might have been First Baptist Church on West Green Avenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnu Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 You taught me something new. My parents live in Orange. I live just down the road in Bridge City. It might have been First Baptist Church on West Green Avenue.One of the most impressive churches i have been in is the First Presbyterian Church in Orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 One of the most impressive churches i have been in is the First Presbyterian Church in Orange.Yes, I've seen it from the street. It is impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnu Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Yes, I've seen it from the street. It is impressive. from wikipedia: The First Presbyterian Church on Green Avenue uniquely captures the classic Greek Revival architecture. Completed in 1912, it was the first air-conditioned public building west of the Mississippi River and its dome is the only opalescent glass dome in the United States. the only pic i could find of the leaded glass under the dome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1fd Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 You taught me something new. My parents live in Orange. I live just down the road in Bridge City. It might have been First Baptist Church on West Green Avenue.My great uncle was involved with the Starks for several decades...that's how I know that bit of obscure air-conditioining-iana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 from wikipedia:The First Presbyterian Church on Green Avenue uniquely captures the classic Greek Revival architecture. Completed in 1912, it was the first air-conditioned public building west of the Mississippi River and its dome is the only opalescent glass dome in the United States. the only pic i could find of the leaded glass under the dome. The fact that the old church stood up to Rita shows how well buildings were designed and constructed many years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 This must be the first topic we've had that has covered both whorehouses and churches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 This must be the first topic we've had that has covered both whorehouses and churches! Well, I personally have always worshipped at the Altar of Venus at the former, but it's been many years since I've worshipped at the latter. Both kinds of places are at Jimmy Swaggart's "church." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Julio Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I'm trying to find out more about the Autotel Blue Room, one of Houston's premier venues for live music in the 1940s. It was a huge club (capacity 1000 downstairs and 1500 upstairs) located at 1515 McCarty. There is a motel at 1519 McCarty today, though it appears to be a modern construction and not a renovation of the older courts. The building that housed the Blue Room and cafe is gone. This area of McCarty (where it terminates at Clinton Drive, directly north of the Ship Channel turning basin) was, during the '40s, heavily trafficked since it was then the 'Beaumont Highway' (Highway 90) and the main route into Houston from the east, plus there were tons of sailors, longshoremen, and workers from the ship channel converging on McCarty@Clinton every night. There were lots of 'courts' along this stretch and several music clubs, of which the Autotel was the biggest. There are still a couple left even now (for Tejano music); the Harbor Lights (which has been there since at least 1941) remains open at 2327 McCarty, though it is no longer a live music venue. The Autotel Blue Room lasted from about 1942 to about 1957. It then became 'La Terraza' for another decade or so. A listing in the 1973 city directory has it as the 'Coronado Club.' My questions: Does anybody here remember McCarty Drive in the '40s or '50s, or the Autotel? When did construction begin on I-10, and when was it completed? When was the building at 1515 McCarty torn down? What is a good source of information on the Ship Channel during the WWII era? Here is a linen postcard of the 'Port Houston Autotel' circa 1942. http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/250/autotelpostcardzo0.jpg Here is a picture of Dickie Jones and the Skyliners at the Autotel Blue Room, 1946. http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/69/skylinersatautotelik3.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Just for reference for those not familiar, here's the Port Houston Autotel thread:http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...?showtopic=3199 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Julio Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Just for reference for those not familiar, here's the Port Houston Autotel thread:http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...?showtopic=3199Thanks, I forgot that this was briefly touched upon before. Is anyone able to scan the pic that appears in the 1972 AIA Guide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 (edited) Now those are truly rare photo's! I wish someone would contribute more history on this area. It is just a bit east of Denver Harbor. 1-10 and N. Wayside that is. I will ask about your questions of topic, but for the most part I believe majority of dance enthusiast's would head to downtown or Near North Side to dance the night away. I once worked very briefly at the bank at McCarty and 1-10 as a teen but this place was long gone by then (approx 1976). Ironically, I drove past here this past weekend and noticed they remodeled and renamed The Molcajete's Mexican Restaurant by there. That place still get's jam packed! It's served the area for decades too. See Little Pearl Harbor topic and find other structure info of DH. I would like to find out if that orchestra was a local group or just passing through Houston? In those days it was common for band's to travel all around Texas. Cool photos they are! Edited March 31, 2008 by Vertigo58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmariar Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 (edited) Here's a picture of the back of the postcard in the original post: And a slightly bigger/crisper photo of the front: You could probably find a lot of interesting material regarding the Ship Channel during WWII in this collection at the Fondren Library, if you're interested in primary research. Edited March 31, 2008 by tmariar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Julio Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I would like to find out if that orchestra was a local group or just passing through Houston? In those days it was common for band's to travel all around Texas. Cool photos they are! Dickie Jones and the Skyliners were a Houston group. The saxophonist, George Ogg, still lives in the Heights. The rest are deceased. The were the houseband at the Autotel Blue Room in 1946-47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmariar Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Text from a 1942 Autotel Blue Room ad I came across, in case it's useful to anyone: M.J. Fletcher's Autotel Blue Room Dine and dance every night 1700 Seating Capacity - 5 private dining rooms - Tel. W. 0107 Autotel Roof Garden Dine and dance beneath the starts 5000 seating capacity Autotel Cafe and Drive-In Good food - good service Dining room or in your car Autotel Courts 100 modern cottages Air-cooled Autotel Stadium Rodeos - races - athletic events 10,000 seating capacity 1515 McCarty, on H'way 90 (Beaumont Rd.) Tels. W. 6-0023; W. 0107; W. 0266 Slogan Prayer: 'Oh, Lord, please help me to keep my nose out of other people's business.' - Anon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Looked that place up on the Sanborn maps (vol.12, 1217), originally, the Autotel Cts. Blue Room/ restaurant looks like it would have been located near the corner of Burman & Beaumont Rd. (Hwy 90)...oops, I meant McCarty, not Beaumont. Parking lot was to the right w/ motel courts behind it, w/ addresses facing Mendez St. (side st.), more courts located behind the blue room, addresses on Burman (unpaved st, no longer visible on Google Earth). Guess they expanded to the south, utilizing the empty area originally used as a parking lot, entrance. The rodeo area was behind the whole place, on Pearl St. It definitely was enlarged, at one time. I'm comparing the photo and the earlier postcard. Looks to me like the Blue Room bdg. fell before 1957. I'm referencing HistoricAeriels, I don't see it, I could be mistaken. I've seen that postcard so many times on EBay, it must have been a popular place. Too bad it fell into such decay. Nice entertainment history. Wish one of my grandmothers was around to ask about it. Edited September 8, 2009 by NenaE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I just glanced at that side road, where Mendez (address: 8104) meets McCarty, (on GoogleEarth), there is an interesting concrete "swept-up-arch-looking" thing that might be a remnant from the old structure. I think those old motel rooms by it could be the original ones, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retama Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 From what I have been told, by the mid-1950s the Autotel and Blue Room was considered a dive and police were called there often. Frank Maddow was arrested near there in 1954 or 55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 Larry McMurtry called the Autotel "the most extraordinary example of Mexican saloon-and-whorehouse architecture north of the border." Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globeman Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 My grandfather rented this ballroom in the 70's and changed the name to the "Toronado Ballroom" on 1515 McCarty could anyone upload photos of the building? Building was supposedly haunted and had brought big bands from Mexico that toured. Would mean alot to my mom who helped take tickets there as a teen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its_her Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I have a post card from back when it was opened. Has an artistic photo. I’m trying to figure out how to upload a pic. It was my grandmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA TERRAZZA Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 My family lived at that site and address from 1957 to 1960 as a ballroom La Terrrazza Nite Club that my uncle Frank Alonzo leased. We lived upstairs and it was an incredible place with a terrace, living quarters and of course the ballroom downstairs. There was also a bandstand and many rooms in the outside terrace. The dance floor was surrounded by many rooms long closed before we moved there. It was fascinating and a great place for teens to grow up in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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