bobruss Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, Purdueenginerd said: The renderings from the North west make it look taller, but take a look at the renderings from Minute Maid Park, it appears shorter. I think that is a better comparison shot since the two buildings are relatively "straight on" from the ball park. Whereas from the North West, its a little more perspective insofar that the new building is "closer to the camera" All of this is arguing semantics since were not sure how closely the rendering is modeled with "realty" But my personal opinion is that this building will be relatively close in height to 609 Main. Edit: I could be wrong though, The view from Minute maid would also have 609 main "2 blocks closer" so the same perspective issue could apply. The height should not be determined by looking at a rendering. Perspective makes the closest object or building appear larger than it might be to objects that are farther away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Idk if it’s been mentioned but it looks like a really large ‘H’ which is cool for so many reasons (well 2 but I’m sure y’all can come up with more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 59 minutes ago, Triton said: Might just be one tower with different design elements but it's definitely not one market square. They're not going to market a competitor. Good point that they're not going to market for a competitor. But it seems to me that it's two buildings because if that's one building it wouldn't fit on the footprint they're building it on, it's too wide to be just one building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, lockmat said: Good point that they're not going to market for a competitor. But it seems to me that it's two buildings because if that's one building it wouldn't fit on the footprint they're building it on, it's too wide to be just one building. I agree... but it’s definitely 1MS unless someone’s planning to build on market square park (not happening) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1) the building is 735’ tall. 2) the rendering on the left is Block 42 residential (it’s one building not two). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pm91 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Really hope they're not demolishing Hogg Palace on Block 42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 ^^ No Plans to do that. The Hines Residential Building will take the place of the Parking Garage on the other half of the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Timoric said: Be interesting to see this pic with the building that has just the garage portion built across the street, that would be nice to get out of the ground too. I don't understand the rendering where it appears as though one of the top office levels of this building is taller than the peak of 609 Main. A previous post above mine states this building will be 735 feet tall while 609 Main is actually a taller building at 756 feet. Edited July 19, 2018 by wxman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Purdueenginerd said: This looks great. But I do have to ask, can the Houston office market absorb this? isnt downtown sitting at like 25 percent vacancy? Downtown is at about 17.5%vacancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Purdueenginerd said: The renderings from the North west make it look taller, but take a look at the renderings from Minute Maid Park, it appears shorter. I think that is a better comparison shot since the two buildings are relatively "straight on" from the ball park. Whereas from the North West, its a little more perspective insofar that the new building is "closer to the camera" All of this is arguing semantics since were not sure how closely the rendering is modeled with "realty" But my personal opinion is that this building will be relatively close in height to 609 Main. Edit: I could be wrong though, The view from Minute maid would also have 609 main "2 blocks closer" so the same perspective issue could apply. 19 hours ago, Urbannizer said: From this image you can see the atrium levels are about the same height as 609 Main's crown. Here it appears taller as well. I think this image is the most "true" when it comes to height. It's basically a dead on look across at 609. Hard to say it will be taller because you can't see the crown in this render but it looks like it will be pretty darn close one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 hours ago, PAC said: 1) the building is 735’ tall. 2) the rendering on the left is Block 42 residential (it’s one building not two). 2 hours ago, pm91 said: Really hope they're not demolishing Hogg Palace on Block 42 1 hour ago, Naviguessor said: ^^ No Plans to do that. The Hines Residential Building will take the place of the Parking Garage on the other half of the block. If that's one building, there's no way Hogg Place survives. It's way too wide to only fit on the garage footprint. It looks to be L-shaped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Hogg Palace Lofts is 100% staying. Hines doesn't even own that portion of the property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Is the hideous garage coming down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Triton said: Hogg Palace Lofts is 100% staying. Hines doesn't even own that portion of the property. Then something is wrong with that rendering. There's no way that building is fitting on the garage footprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, lockmat said: Then something is wrong with that rendering. There's no way that building is fitting on the garage footprint. I am convinced it is 1MQ because of that curved side that goes into the fin in their proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 18 hours ago, lockmat said: As you can see, Calpine and the garage are about the same width. Portion #1 in the top rendering is about the same width as Calpine. #1 & #2 combined are without a doubt wider than Calpine. What this concludes, I don't know. Could just be the worst scaled rendering of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Avossos said: I am convinced it is 1MQ because of that curved side that goes into the fin in their proposal. Its not. The curve on One Market Square is planned to face west/north west. The curve on that rendering is the southwest corner of the building. That must be the “twisting balcony” design element that I was told about. Admittedly I’m a bit underwhelmed with it, but I’m sure once we get more info and detailed renderings it will look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Why would Hines render someone else's project - I promise you its the Block 42 development only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PAC said: Why would Hines render someone else's project - I promise you its the Block 42 development only. 20 hours ago, Urbannizer said: Then I'm voting it the worst scaled rendering of all time. Because the office tower is only showing to be about 13 stories shorter than Chase and it's right across the street so there is no distance distortion. Edited July 19, 2018 by lockmat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, lockmat said: As you can see, Calpine and the garage are about the same width. Portion #1 in the top rendering is about the same width as Calpine. #1 & #2 combined are without a doubt wider than Calpine. What this concludes, I don't know. Could just be the worst scaled rendering of all time. I think the walls with different materials/depths are tricking people’s eyes. I think it’s basically a rectangle following the existing garage footprint, but with the southwest corner “sliced off”, for a pool area/amenity deck I’m sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakevirgilio Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Here are more images: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Lockmat, your illustration with the numbers 1 & 2 drawn on it are of the San Franciso tower that Pelli has just designed. They have nothing to do with our skyline. In the aerial view above with the red lines it depicts the 1/2 block that is adjacent to the Hogg Palace, which is not coming down. This is the site for proposed high rise tower that we have no illustrations for yet. The new Pelli tower is on the old Chronicle block which is a full sized block. The new tower by Pelli, is turned 45 degrees on the lot so that it has more interesting views. It will sit on a base that will be configured on the block like a normal podium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reporter Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) It grew since yesterday, got flatter and the building on block 42 appeared out of nowhere. Yesterday Today. Edited July 19, 2018 by Reporter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enriquewx91 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, blakevirgilio said: Here are more images: Block 42 building only solidifies the need for a big brand grocery store in the Market Square area. HEB you listening!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 They also added another shorter glass building just to its north and behind the Hines Aries in the second rendering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Emporis lists block 42 as a residential high rise > 600 ft height . Appears as if that has changed. Are both block 58 and block 42 to be built simultaneously or a different times? The impression I have is that 58 goes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Clever how the buildings are angled. If the International Tower is ever built it will not block the view of 58 or 42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyc05 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Twinsanity02 said: Clever how the buildings are angled. If the International Tower is ever built it will not block the view of 58 or 42. Someone should do a rendering with all of them together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdueenginerd Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Side bar, I'm trying to figure out why they felt the need to render 3 different renderings of the Men's restroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, bobruss said: Lockmat, your illustration with the numbers 1 & 2 drawn on it are of the San Franciso tower that Pelli has just designed. They have nothing to do with our skyline. In the aerial view above with the red lines it depicts the 1/2 block that is adjacent to the Hogg Palace, which is not coming down. This is the site for proposed high rise tower that we have no illustrations for yet. The new Pelli tower is on the old Chronicle block which is a full sized block. The new tower by Pelli, is turned 45 degrees on the lot so that it has more interesting views. It will sit on a base that will be configured on the block like a normal podium My rendering is cropped from the Hines office rendering, which is part of our skyline. Are you saying they used a building from San Francisco? 1 hour ago, blakevirgilio said: Here are more image 29 minutes ago, Twinsanity02 said: Clever how the buildings are angled. If the International Tower is ever built it will not block the view of 58 or 42. 1 hour ago, cloud713 said: I think the walls with different materials/depths are tricking people’s eyes. I think it’s basically a rectangle following the existing garage footprint, but with the southwest corner “sliced off”, for a pool area/amenity deck I’m sure. Problem solved. That was some major mind tricks the rendering pulled off. Also, I wonder if they also angled the building to protect the view of Chase? It's a Hines building, right? Covering Chase up would only lessen it's value and asking price. Edited July 19, 2018 by lockmat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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