Popular Post jmitch94 Posted December 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2018 We can like posts again! 30 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 20 hours ago, jmitch94 said: We can like posts again! Its a Christmas Miracle! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 On 12/29/2018 at 5:04 PM, editor said: Sorry. That's my fault. I moved HAIF to a new server earlier today. Still working out the bugs. I should have those pictures back by the end of the weekend. And they're right purty pictures, too. Also, way more emojis. 👍🤠 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Is there a web cam for this project yet? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 13 hours ago, jmitch94 said: Is there a web cam for this project yet? When was the last time we had an active link for a webcam on a project here in town? I feel like it's been a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, brijonmang said: When was the last time we had an active link for a webcam on a project here in town? I feel like it's been a long time. I currently have six active sites saved in my favorites with a webcam and within the last six months have deleted several more since the projects were completed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, jmitch94 said: I currently have six active sites saved in my favorites with a webcam and within the last six months have deleted several more since the projects were completed. Which ones do you still have? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChannelTwoNews Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Very much looking forward to seeing this one come out of the ground. It's been a real treat to see some of these Hines towers start to make their mark on the skyline whenever I get back into town, as infrequently as it feels. Even the excavation is interesting because they generally haven't been smaller-scale sites in the past few projects around town. Two weeks cannot pass by soon enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Looks like they were drilling holes so they could pump out the water underneath. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AREJAY Posted January 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2019 Have we seen the FAA height yet?https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=392938124&row=299 735 ft with construction starting 02/21/2019! Overview Study (ASN): 2018-ASW-19191-OE Prior Study: Status: Work In Progress Received Date: 12/21/2018 Entered Date: 12/21/2018 Map: View Map Construction Info Structure Summary Notice Of: CONSTR Duration: PERM (Months: 0 Days: 0) Work Schedule: 02/21/2019 to 10/28/2021 Structure Type: Building Structure Name: Block 58 Point 1 FCC Number: Structure Details Height and Elevation Latitude (NAD 83): 29° 45' 40.40" N Longitude (NAD 83): 95° 21' 50.39" W Datum: NAD 83 City: Houston State: TX Nearest County: Harris Proposed Site Elevation: 45 Structure Height: 735 Total Height (AMSL): 780 Frequencies Low Freq High Freq Unit ERP Unit 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asubrt Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 That should make it top 10 tallest in Houston (#9, I believe) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, asubrt said: That should make it top 10 tallest in Houston (#9, I believe) If completed this one will rank tenth. 910 Louisiana (One Shell Plaza) is in the top ten because CTBUH forgot to make a rule about spires that were once removable equipment but aren't anymore. Ever since Shell stopped using the mast downtown as a communications antenna, it has been an architectural feature solely, and therefore "counts as height" 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, strickn said: If completed this one will rank tenth. 910 Louisiana (One Shell Plaza) is in the top ten because CTBUH forgot to make a rule about spires that were once removable equipment but aren't anymore. Ever since Shell stopped using the mast downtown as a communications antenna, it has been an architectural feature solely, and therefore "counts as height" 🙄 Interesting. I see CTBUH lists it as 714' (architectural) and 1000' (height to tip) (which would make it a supertall). But they also still show it as 11th tallest in Houston. If they were counting it as 1000 feet, it would be the 2nd tallest building in Houston. Why would the mast no longer be removable? (FWIW, I don't think Shell ever used the mast. I believe the mast was used by various television and radio stations.) Edited January 8, 2019 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, strickn said: If completed this one will rank tenth. 910 Louisiana (One Shell Plaza) is in the top ten because CTBUH forgot to make a rule about spires that were once removable equipment but aren't anymore. Ever since Shell stopped using the mast downtown as a communications antenna, it has been an architectural feature solely, and therefore "counts as height" 🙄 Really? Where did you get this from? I genuinely would like to know because I didn't know this and would like to read about when this took place. The official height thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacarlson Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, asubrt said: That should make it top 10 tallest in Houston (#9, I believe) I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luminare said: Really? Where did you get this from? I genuinely would like to know because I didn't know this and would like to read about when this took place. The official height thing. Sure. Indian-American structural engineer Joe Colaco was interviewed by Christof Spieler in Cite magazine issue 67 (which printed in Summer 2006) "Since at the time One Shell was the tallest building in Houston. the antenna was part of the program to take care of electronic transmissions. And we had to provide an antenna tube, which was close to 200 feet tall above the roof of the building. It was an extremely heavy antenna tube—six feet in diameter, with two inches of steel wall thickness tor the tube. And that was required not so much for strength as to control the sway of the antenna, which is required to prevent distortion of electronic signals. Well, it outlived its usefulness, and about three or four years ago, the question came up from the building manager, can we take it down? We spent quite a few months thinking how to take down an antenna tube that weighs almost one ton per foot off of the top of the building. And after a great deal of study, it was decided that it would be impractical to do it. The next alternative was to leave it in place, retrofit it, clean it up, take off all the rust spots, and so on, and then have it essentially painted and left in place..." As for CTBUH, what can I say? They still haven't noticed that they even need such a category, much less amended it officially, because they're really focused on their own growth. It only matters to a tiny handful whether CTBUH cares or not though. They specifically rank the 1776-foot 1WTC in NYC taller than the Willis Tower in Chicago despite knowing that everything above 1368' (or 1373' from a different entrance) on 1WTC is for broadcasting. They do this by saying that only feet 1777 through 1792 of 1WTC are used for transmission. Obviously that's a distinction that would apply to a lot of other rooftop masts whose antenna is only on the top of a pole, but Willis and others don't get the same pretend distinction. EDIT: since this post may attract people who nerd out about such things, does anybody happen to have a similar real height for the striking and not even FCC-licensed old disused mast atop the University Club in Tulsa? Just curious... Edited January 8, 2019 by strickn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, strickn said: Sure. Indian-American structural engineer Joe Colaco was interviewed by Christof Spieler in Cite magazine issue 67 (which printed in Summer 2006) "Since at the time One Shell was the tallest building in Houston. the antenna was part of the program to take care of electronic transmissions. And we had to provide an antenna tube, which was close to 200 feet tall above the roof of the building. It was an extremely heavy antenna tube—six feet in diameter, with two inches of steel wall thickness tor the tube. And that was required not so much for strength as to control the sway of the antenna, which is required to prevent distortion of electronic signals. Well, it outlived its usefulness, and about three or four years ago, the question came up from the building manager, can we take it down? We spent quite a few months thinking how to take down an antenna tube that weighs almost one ton per foot off of the top of the building. And after a great deal of study, it was decided that it would be impractical to do it. The next alternative was to leave it in place, retrofit it, clean it up, take off all the rust spots, and so on, and then have it essentially painted and left in place..." As for CTBUH, what can I say? They still haven't noticed that they even need such a category, much less amended it officially, because they're really focused on their own growth. It only matters to a tiny handful whether CTBUH cares or not though. They specifically rank the 1776-foot 1WTC in NYC taller than the Willis Tower in Chicago despite knowing that everything above 1368' (or 1373' from a different entrance) on 1WTC is for broadcasting. They do this by saying that only feet 1777 through 1792 of 1WTC are used for transmission. Obviously that's a distinction that would apply to a lot of other rooftop masts whose antenna is only on the top of a pole, but Willis and others don't get the same pretend distinction. So, it is pretty clearly still removable. They just chose not to remove it. It seems like if the building owners were interested, they might be able to make a case to the CTBUH that the tube has over time become a permanent architectural element, but I'm sure the CTBUH doesn't go around the world scouting out masts, antennae etc. that might be eligible for reclassification. Edited January 8, 2019 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtNsf Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well, I for one am hoping praying and dreaming of a brand new "supertall" downtown that is higher than Chase Tower. Although 75 stories was pretty awesome in the early 80's, I think enough decades have passed for some forward thinking and very wealthy investor to take us to this next level that all the 3 largest cities in America bigger than Houston have already done. Don't get me wrong. This building will be spectacular and beautiful in it's own right, but it's probably considered more "infill" than anything else. What can I say, I do have huge expensive supertall dreams for this GREAT super city we call Houston ! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 5 hours ago, ArtNsf said: Well, I for one am hoping praying and dreaming of a brand new "supertall" downtown that is higher than Chase Tower. Although 75 stories was pretty awesome in the early 80's, I think enough decades have passed for some forward thinking and very wealthy investor to take us to this next level that all the 3 largest cities in America bigger than Houston have already done. Don't get me wrong. This building will be spectacular and beautiful in it's own right, but it's probably considered more "infill" than anything else. What can I say, I do have huge expensive supertall dreams for this GREAT super city we call Houston ! I hate to be a Debbie Downer but for a super tall to be built in downtown land values would have to skyrocket for it to be worth it to the developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, jmitch94 said: I hate to be a Debbie Downer but for a super tall to be built in downtown land values would have to skyrocket for it to be worth it to the developer. Honestly at the pace things are going I could see that happening within the next 5 to 10 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 9 hours ago, jmitch94 said: I hate to be a Debbie Downer but for a super tall to be built in downtown land values would have to skyrocket for it to be worth it to the developer. How did 600 Travis get built? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 9 hours ago, jmitch94 said: I hate to be a Debbie Downer but for a super tall to be built in downtown land values would have to skyrocket for it to be worth it to the developer. 7 minutes ago, H-Town Man said: How did 600 Travis get built? Not to mention Wells Fargo Plaza. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) I talked to an executive at CBRE a couple years ago in his office in Bank of America tower and he specifically said "a tower like the one we are in will probably never get built in Houston again." Now I'm not saying what he says in absolutely going to be proven true but I think an executive vice president of the largest commercial real estate firm in the world might know a thing or two. Chase and Wells Fargo were built when executives cared more about their egos, and having the biggest tower in town. Now they prioritize employee comfort and ROI. Very few companies now would be willing to spend hundreds of millions more on a project just to have it be the tallest tower in Houston. And just to be clear I would LOVE to be proven wrong. A supertall would be amazing, I'm just not holing my breath. Edited January 9, 2019 by jmitch94 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, jmitch94 said: I talked to an executive at CBRE a couple years ago in his office in Bank of America tower and he specifically said "a tower like the one we are in will probably never get built in Houston again." Now I'm not saying what he says in absolutely going to be proven true but I think an executive vice president of the largest commercial real estate firm in the world might know a thing or two. Chase and Wells Fargo were built when executives cared more about their egos, and having the biggest tower in town. Now they prioritize employee comfort and ROI. Very few companies now would be willing to spend hundreds of millions more on a project just to have it be the tallest tower in Houston. And just to be clear I would LOVE to be proven wrong. A supertall would be amazing, I'm just not holing my breath. Maybe he meant the stone cladding. Hines' Block 58 building and 609 Main are both pretty much in the same category of building as the Bank of America Center; close enough to be "like" Bank of America Center in size. Bank of America Center: 780 feet, 1.268 Million Square Feet 609 Main: 752 feet, 1.060 Million Square Feet Block58: 735 feet, 1 Million Square Feet Edited January 9, 2019 by Houston19514 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, jmitch94 said: Chase and Wells Fargo were built when executives cared more about their egos, and having the biggest tower in town. Now they prioritize employee comfort and ROI. Very few companies now would be willing to spend hundreds of millions more on a project just to have it be the tallest tower in Houston. You'll enjoy Joel Barna's book "The See-Through Years" about Texas architecture in the 1980s. It's very thoughtful but also has the fun anecdotes about glass skyscrapers with no interior walls because no tenants. Fantastic urbanism or big egos only take you so far, however. The spot price of West Texas Intermediate crude rose from $3.56 in spring '73 up to $14.85 in spring '78, then to $39.50 in spring and summer 1980 when many towers were or had already been greenlit. Dirt downtown was also a sort of futures market for the value of being the oil capital, remembering that in the 1950s and '60s Houston had only been one of many regional oil capitals. Its relatively sudden emergence over Tulsa as the city who you could bet on for value creation in energy expertise, AFAIK had relatively little to do with cosmopolitanism or ambition and much to do with offshore oilfield development and New Orleans' old-guard complacency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Houston19514 said: Maybe he meant the stone cladding. Hines' Block 58 building and 609 Main are both pretty much in the same category of building as the Bank of America Center; close enough to be "like" Bank of America Center in size. Bank of America Center: 780 feet, 1.268 Million Square Feet 609 Main: 752 feet, 1.060 Million Square Feet Block58: 735 feet, 1 Million Square Feet I don't think he meant cladding. BoA is similar to those in size but it is taller and it is much less economical in terms of shape. Someone on here awhile back quoted Hines as recently saying that the economics of a supertall "don't work in Houston." It is telling that all his buildings here tend to be in the high 40's in story-height while he builds taller in Chicago and San Francisco, even though he obviously is devoted to Houston. I think there is a point to what jmitch said about land values (not to mention rents), my point in mentioning 600 Travis was just that you can't predict everything. I don't see supertalls on the horizon here, but the horizon is always changing. No one expected ten years ago that we'd be the biggest oil producer in the world today and look what happened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Houston19514 said: Maybe he meant the stone cladding. Hines' Block 58 building and 609 Main are both pretty much in the same category of building as the Bank of America Center; close enough to be "like" Bank of America Center in size. Bank of America Center: 780 feet, 1.268 Million Square Feet 609 Main: 752 feet, 1.060 Million Square Feet Block58: 735 feet, 1 Million Square Feet Yeah IDK exactly what he was getting at but that's what he said. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 9:23 AM, H-Town Man said: How did 600 Travis get built? Ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Tumbleweed_Tx said: Ego. That's how a lot of great buildings were built. I would also credit something to a sense of civic benefaction, especially with the (formerly) public observation deck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jmitch94 Posted January 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2019 Here are the webcams I have. I forgot to post this earlier. I have two here from MFAH https://www.mfah.org/about/campus-redevelopment/ http://www.earthcam.net/projects/museumoffinearts/houston/rwd.php?cam=live Next is the UH dorms being built, up until a couple of weeks ago it also had the new Fertitta Center. http://uh.edu/infotech/services/webcam/more-cameras.php Here is the Holocaust Museum expansion. https://app.oxblue.com/open/mccarthy/holocaustmuseumhouston Next is the new Memorial Herman tower. Its pretty much done but the time-lapses are worth looking at. http://www.breakingnewgroundproject.org/projects/texas-medical-center/construction-cam/ Next is Tradition senior living https://app.oxblue.com/open/TraditionSenior/BuffaloSpeedway Lastly is THE Tradition senior living. https://app.oxblue.com/open/TraditionSenior/Woodway 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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