lockmat Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Should we have some HAIFy celebration for this? I mean, this is kind of the first of it's kind on this scale for Houston, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Should we have some HAIFy celebration for this? I mean, this is kind of the first of it's kind on this scale for Houston, isn't it?I guess if you don't count Houston Pavilions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirous Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I guess if you don't count Houston PavilionsHP is two stories tall, like Sharpstown Mall. I'm a DT resident and would love to take pride in my pet tiddlywinks, but we have to be honest here. West Ave -- with its future expansions -- is the first of its kind in Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 HP is two stories tall, like Sharpstown Mall. I'm a DT resident and would love to take pride in my pet tiddlywinks, but we have to be honest here. West Ave -- with its future expansions -- is the first of its kind in Houston.The retail part of HP is three stories tall, more than West Ave. The office component is 12 stories, more than West Ave.Maybe its just that I see these all the time in other cities I do work in, but these cliched mixed-use projects don't really excite me. The cookie-cutter architecture on most of them (this one included) is pretty boring. At least HP has some unique skywalks to distinguish it...and I still am underwhelmed by HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I guess if you don't count Houston PavilionsTrue, but I think the apts set West Ave apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirous Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 The retail part of HP is three stories tall, more than West Ave. The office component is 12 stories, more than West Ave. No residential. Maybe its just that I see these all the time in other cities I do work in, but these cliched mixed-use projects don't really excite me. The cookie-cutter architecture on most of them (this one included) is pretty boring. At least HP has some unique skywalks to distinguish it...and I still am underwhelmed by HP. Mixed-use is vastly better than single-use apartment complexes or strip malls. I'd rather have "cliched" mixed-use developments than hideous strip malls. Separation of uses for multifamily residential and retail is one of the most idiotic boondoggles I've yet to wrap my mind around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Mixed-use is vastly better than single-use apartment complexes or strip malls. I'd rather have "cliched" mixed-use developments than hideous strip malls. Separation of uses for multifamily residential and retail is one of the most idiotic boondoggles I've yet to wrap my mind around.I am 100% agreeing, and just excited that West Ave is built, with West Creek and BLVD Place on the horizon.I think Houston Pavilions will be a catalyst from something even bigger and better on dowtown in the near future, this time larger, with residential.We have SO many surface lots still to convert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 True, but I think the apts set West Ave apart.Just as the office building portion of HP sets HP apart. ;-) So I guess we could say HP is also the first of its kind. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirous Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I am 100% agreeing, and just excited that West Ave is built, with West Creek and BLVD Place on the horizon.I think Houston Pavilions will be a catalyst from something even bigger and better on dowtown in the near future, this time larger, with residential. We have SO many surface lots still to convert. I'll be frequenting HP to provide patronage. Gotta show the downtown pride! Hope we get a grocery store around here eventually; all we have is the Midtown Randall's. We're so far behind Dallas in the downtown grocery department. What I wonder is whether development will jump Westheimer. Kirby/Westheimer would become Houston's most impressive intersection if stuff goes up on all four corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhlaw09 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I'll be frequenting HP to provide patronage. Gotta show the downtown pride! Hope we get a grocery store around here eventually; all we have is the Midtown Randall's. We're so far behind Dallas in the downtown grocery department. Will be a downtown grocery in OPP soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 "I won't be ignored!" Hilarious, but too reiterate, my fascination with this place is it's mere presence and modern appearance not the stores. Just drive past and see what I mean. Like I stated earlier it is grand! If anyone has a link to what the apartments will look like (interiors, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 So this is supposed to have residential available in August? That's weeks away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 So this is supposed to have residential available in August? That's weeks away. So there must be a model somewhere that prospects have toured. Question is where? I will answer my own question, all we have to do is go to the links and send our questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 So this is supposed to have residential available in August? That's weeks away.I don't believe that for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirous Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 So this is supposed to have residential available in August? That's weeks away.Maybe August 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) HP is two stories tall, like Sharpstown Mall. I'm a DT resident and would love to take pride in my pet tiddlywinks, but we have to be honest here. West Ave -- with its future expansions -- is the first of its kind in Houston.The retail portion of Houston Pavilions is approximately double the size of the retail portion of West Ave (360,000 vs. 190,000 square feet) pet tiddlywinks, indeed. Edited August 5, 2008 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 The retail portion of Houston Pavilions is approximately double the size of the retail portion of West Ave (360,000 vs. 190,000 square feet) pet tiddlywinks, indeed.just wait til West Ave. expands across the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 just wait til West Ave. expands across the street.What property across the street? There doesn't seem to be too much room to expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 (edited) just wait til West Ave. expands across the street.LOL and then what? It will approach 2/3 the size of HP, sometime in the far distant, very uncertain future? Edited August 6, 2008 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnmcbarnacle Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 (edited) What property across the street? There doesn't seem to be too much room to expand.Where Chuy's and Rickshaw are. There are even rumblings about the corner spot with Buffalo Hardware and Armando's.... Edited August 6, 2008 by capnmcbarnacle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Where Chuy's and Rickshaw are. There are even rumblings about the corner spot with Buffalo Hardware and Armando's....Chuy's is expendable. But the Buffalo Hardware center?? That's a nice looking old corner shopping center. With useful shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgriff Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 (edited) LOL and then what? It will approach 2/3 the size of HP, sometime in the far distant, very uncertain future?Maybe HP is bigger, but West Ave. is in a good neighborhood, Pavillions is not. Edited August 6, 2008 by jgriff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Maybe HP is bigger, but West Ave. is in a good neighborhood, Pavillions is not.A new shopping center in one of the top neighborhoods in Houston isn't going to help it very much because they already have lots and lots and lots of similar shopping. This is a drop in the bucket. A new shopping center in a neighborhood where there aren't very many has a larger impact on the perceptions of that neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammond2003 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 A new shopping center in one of the top neighborhoods in Houston isn't going to help it very much because they already have lots and lots and lots of similar shopping. This is a drop in the bucket. A new shopping center in a neighborhood where there aren't very many has a larger impact on the perceptions of that neighborhood.Zen koan: If you drop a shopping center where no one shops, does it make a sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Maybe HP is bigger, but West Ave. is in a good neighborhood, Pavillions is not.West Ave. will have a much larger pool of nearby residential to gain customers from. But it does have some competition with Highland Village. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 LOL and then what? It will approach 2/3 the size of HP, sometime in the far distant, very uncertain future?your cynicism notwithstanding, West Ave also has about 400,000 SF of residential compared to HP's approximately, um.... 0 SF.Where Chuy's and Rickshaw are. There are even rumblings about the corner spot with Buffalo Hardware and Armando's....bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sowanome Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Maybe HP is bigger, but West Ave. is in a good neighborhood, Pavillions is not.Thanks "jgriff", you hit it on the head: "Location, Location, Location"....West Ave has the best location right now and the location is also established, which usually beats up and coming.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 your cynicism notwithstanding, West Ave also has about 400,000 SF of residential compared to HP's approximately, um.... 0 SF.But Houston Pavilions will have about 220,000 sf of office space. Downtown office users average only about 300 square feet of office space per employee. As such, the daytime population of HP's office component will likely be greater than the nighttime population in West Avenue's residential component. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnmcbarnacle Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Chuy's is expendable. But the Buffalo Hardware center?? That's a nice looking old corner shopping center. With useful shops.Uh-oh. That swipe at Chuy's could reignite the Chuy's battles that took place earlier in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Zen koan: If you drop a shopping center where no one shops, does it make a sound?The Galleria was at one time only agricultural land. Change happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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