HiRiseObserver Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I tend to think that you're right and that it will probably end up getting built, but your post begs the question:How do we know that you don't have an agenda? My post does not beg a question -- you mean it raises a question. And the answer is, obviously, you don't. So drive by (something I do twice a day) and report back on the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged. Then come back and question my agenda again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethanra Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 My post does not beg a question -- you mean it raises a question. And the answer is, obviously, you don't. So drive by (something I do twice a day) and report back on the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged. Then come back and question my agenda again.Good answer...You need to understand some on this forum are the most negative and pesimistic individuals. It took me a few times on this board to learn this, ignore it, and not let the negativity bother me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 My post does not beg a question -- you mean it raises a question. And the answer is, obviously, you don't. So drive by (something I do twice a day) and report back on the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged. Then come back and question my agenda again.Well, like I said, I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation. But you mentioned people having an agenda, and forgive me, but I hesitate to trust people who use their very first post on HAIF to make such an accusatory statement. It is also curious that you use the language "the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged". Most folks on the forum just aren't quite as comfortable with construction terminology as you are.Nothing personal, but I'd rather that there be a general atmosphere of caution, uncertainty, and mistrust on this forum than than blindly-accepted information...especially when there are still a few red flags flying on a subject. Certain uncertainty is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiRiseObserver Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) Well, like I said, I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation. But you mentioned people having an agenda, and forgive me, but I hesitate to trust people who use their very first post on HAIF to make such an accusatory statement. It is also curious that you use the language "the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged". Most folks on the forum just aren't quite as comfortable with construction terminology as you are.Nothing personal, but I'd rather that there be a general atmosphere of caution, uncertainty, and mistrust on this forum than than blindly-accepted information...especially when there are still a few red flags flying on a subject. Certain uncertainty is good.So, you agree with me on the basis of your personal observation ("I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation"); but you mistrust what you read on this forum (an implied recognition that many here do have agendas); therefore, you mistrust what I write despite the fact that we agree. Ouch! My head hurts. Now I need a drink. I just posted about what I see every day (try getting around the trucks on Argonne in the mornings). I reread my post and don't see anything curious about my language. Rebar. Site. Stage. Ton. Estimate. Pretty common stuff. Don't deny what your eyes tells you just because we agree! Edited April 4, 2007 by HiRiseObserver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 So, you agree with me on the basis of your personal observation ("I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation"); but you mistrust what you read on this forum (an implied recognition that many here do have agendas); therefore, you mistrust what I write despite the fact that we agree. Ouch! My head hurts. Now I need a drink. I just posted about what I see every day (try getting around the trucks on Argonne in the mornings). I reread my post and don't see anything curious about my language. Rebar. Site. Stage. Ton. Estimate. Pretty common stuff. Don't deny what your eyes tells you just because we agree! I tend to agree with your conclusion, but "tend" indicates uncertainty. I will nurture the seed of doubt and shed light from mulitple angles upon any sprout that may rise. Btw, I never denied that people on this forum have personal agendas. I rightfully earned the rank of Partisan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 So, you agree with me on the basis of your personal observation ("I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation"); but you mistrust what you read on this forum (an implied recognition that many here do have agendas); therefore, you mistrust what I write despite the fact that we agree. Ouch! My head hurts. Now I need a drink. Brace yourself, there's plenty more where that came from... Welcome to HAIF, and thanks for the updates on this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I love it when some claim others are perceptually skewed, while the same social forces apparently don't apply to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiRiseObserver Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Walls of the hole are now gunited and more rebar delivered this am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Cool. Coming in the Baytown East Fwy exiting to 45 South is a great view of TMC, Huntingdon, Greenway and Uptown. This will be a beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiRiseObserver Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Saw another load of rebar being delivered this morning at 7:30.Looked like a dozen steelworkers in the hole.Others on this website will correct me and tell me this is all an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyEvilTwin Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Others on this website will correct me and tell me this is all an illusion. They're just using it as a storage site for building materials for all the other imaginary projects around town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mls1202 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm one of the optimists who think this will happen. However, I also felt that way about the Orion off of Memorial and the Bayou. Have you seen how far they got? They excavated the hole and even began to put up the vertical supports of the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm one of the optimists who think this will happen. However, I also felt that way about the Orion off of Memorial and the Bayou. Have you seen how far they got? They excavated the hole and even began to put up the vertical supports of the building.I am optimistic that 2727 will happen. But when some entity spends money to excavate, put up a crane etc., don't they lose that money with nothing to show. Kind of like Las Vegas most of the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnmcbarnacle Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I am optimistic that 2727 will happen. But when some entity spends money to excavate, put up a crane etc., don't they lose that money with nothing to show. Kind of like Las Vegas most of the time?I drove by today, April 12th, around 3 p.m. The crane was swinging around and there were guys in the hole with welding masks on -- looked like they had placed a bunch of rebar in the footprint for a concrete pour. I'm not a contractor or an architect, but it looked to me like they are starting to build something there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiRiseObserver Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I drove by today, April 12th, around 3 p.m. The crane was swinging around and there were guys in the hole with welding masks on -- looked like they had placed a bunch of rebar in the footprint for a concrete pour. I'm not a contractor or an architect, but it looked to me like they are starting to build something there.Don't believe your eyes. There are people on this board SO much smarter than us who will tell you the steel, crane, workers etc are an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mls1202 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Fast forward 12 months... "I drove by today and saw them installing glass panels and a kitchen sink to a 'penthouse' of sorts...I'm not an architect or anything, but this looks like a good sign that this project just might happen" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiRiseObserver Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Fast forward 12 months..."I drove by today and saw them installing glass panels and a kitchen sink to a 'penthouse' of sorts...I'm not an architect or anything, but this looks like a good sign that this project just might happen" Fast forward 12 months, 3 hours The EXPERTS will reply, "Yes, I too am hopeful that this project will get built, but a good measure of skepticism is appropriate on this forum." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Fast forward 12 months, 3 hoursThe EXPERTS will reply, "Yes, I too am hopeful that this project will get built, but a good measure of skepticism is appropriate on this forum." For the record, I'm sold on this. ...now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanman Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The construction loan has funded, FYI. The project is real and is moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The construction loan has funded, FYI. The project is real and is moving forward. Woo hoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 (edited) The construction loan has funded, FYI. The project is real and is moving forward. 2727 Edited April 27, 2007 by houstonfella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 2727 Awsome... that's going to be one nice looking tower! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 2727 Great news! It seems our self-proclaimed insiders may have failed us again. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 the article claims that this if the "first" residential high rise tower to be developed inside the loop in two decades. what about the royalton, 3333 allen parkway? or, mosaic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 Great news! It seems our self-proclaimed insiders may have failed us again. ;-)Read the HBJ article. The insiders had doubts, but most of us didn't write it off completely. I think that that is pretty well reflected in the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanman Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 the article claims that this if the "first" residential high rise tower to be developed inside the loop in two decades. what about the royalton, 3333 allen parkway? or, mosaic?3333 allen parkway was built as a rental building and was converted.i believe 2727 kirby technically predates mosaic in that i think kirby presales started before mosaic's, even though mosaic broke ground first. the first kirby sales were in the fall of 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownWxBoy Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 3333 allen parkway was built as a rental building and was converted.i believe 2727 kirby technically predates mosaic in that i think kirby presales started before mosaic's, even though mosaic broke ground first. the first kirby sales were in the fall of 2005. Rental.. condos... it's all residential. Anyways... this is going to be one nice building! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 Rental.. condos... it's all residential. concur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 the article claims that this if the "first" residential high rise tower to be developed inside the loop in two decades. what about the royalton, 3333 allen parkway? or, mosaic? 3333 Allen Parkway is the Royalton @ River Oaks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolie Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 (edited) You know, I like skyscrapers and high-rises, but I just think all of the new high rise residential in Houston is just completely overpriced. In particular Mosaic. I understand the appeal and the views, etc., but it's hard for me to justify it as economical... price per sf. is just killer. And condos you have to factor in the maintenance fee -- for life. At least for the foreseeable future I'm priced out of anything like that.I think midrises and well designed townhomes are great, though, and much more affordable. You don't loose too much density, really. the high rises are so skinny and have low FAR's per floor. I'd rather see European style blankets of 6 story buildings... build enough of them so that the construction talent is local and stays, bringing down costs even more. I like what I see with the current "mixed use" development plans -- the renderings for Regent Square, BLVD place, the other one on the old Ford Dealership, etc. I imagine most of Houston's arterial streets steetwalled with those some time in the future.Who knows... high rises might get slaughtered by changes in the economy. High interest, higher raw materials prices, higher fuel costs, etc. A midrise with the same average density can be built much faster and more cheaply. I think once gas starts to peak and the ____ really hits the fan, it'll be the triumph of the midrise. Land prices in Houston really only support high rises as 'statements.' If you actually want to build housing for actual people.. midrise all the way./end rambling.2727 is fantastically expensive anyway. and I think it's hideous. Edited April 29, 2007 by woolie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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