toxtethogrady Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/13/2021 at 3:17 PM, arche_757 said: Would proximity to the private school hinder potential bar/entertainment venues on the parcel just south of MMP? HSPVA really hasn't, as far as I can tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/14/2021 at 3:35 PM, wilcal said: Just read Chapter 3 Article I of the city ordinance, and you are right, Texas law allows the city to make alcohol free zones. The default is 300 feet from any public or private school, hospital, or church, and it can be extended up to 1,000 feet. The city does have the ability to grant variances, but it looks like it has to be voted on by city council. Additionally, the ordinance specifically carves out hotels in the central business district. Also, any restaurant in the CBD is carved out assuming there is no exterior signage that says that they sell alcohol and there is not outdoor seating. Also, there's a special carve-out for sports stadiums. This city sometimes lol. IIRC, at least when the stadium was built the measurement was front door to front door, and Annunciation "moved" its main entrance to accommodate the stadium. Again IIRC that's when Annunciation's fencing on that side went up. On 11/14/2021 at 3:35 PM, wilcal said: Just read Chapter 3 Article I of the city ordinance, and you are right, Texas law allows the city to make alcohol free zones. The default is 300 feet from any public or private school, hospital, or church, and it can be extended up to 1,000 feet. The city does have the ability to grant variances, but it looks like it has to be voted on by city council. Additionally, the ordinance specifically carves out hotels in the central business district. Also, any restaurant in the CBD is carved out assuming there is no exterior signage that says that they sell alcohol and there is not outdoor seating. Also, there's a special carve-out for sports stadiums. This city sometimes lol. IIRC, at least when the stadium was built the measurement was front door to front door, and Annunciation "moved" its main entrance to accommodate the stadium. Again IIRC that's when Annunciation's fencing on that side went up. On 11/14/2021 at 3:35 PM, wilcal said: Just read Chapter 3 Article I of the city ordinance, and you are right, Texas law allows the city to make alcohol free zones. The default is 300 feet from any public or private school, hospital, or church, and it can be extended up to 1,000 feet. The city does have the ability to grant variances, but it looks like it has to be voted on by city council. Additionally, the ordinance specifically carves out hotels in the central business district. Also, any restaurant in the CBD is carved out assuming there is no exterior signage that says that they sell alcohol and there is not outdoor seating. Also, there's a special carve-out for sports stadiums. This city sometimes lol. IIRC, at least when the stadium was built the measurement was front door to front door, and Annunciation "moved" its main entrance to accommodate the stadium. Again IIRC that's when Annunciation's fencing on that side went up. On 11/14/2021 at 3:35 PM, wilcal said: Just read Chapter 3 Article I of the city ordinance, and you are right, Texas law allows the city to make alcohol free zones. The default is 300 feet from any public or private school, hospital, or church, and it can be extended up to 1,000 feet. The city does have the ability to grant variances, but it looks like it has to be voted on by city council. Additionally, the ordinance specifically carves out hotels in the central business district. Also, any restaurant in the CBD is carved out assuming there is no exterior signage that says that they sell alcohol and there is not outdoor seating. Also, there's a special carve-out for sports stadiums. This city sometimes lol. IIRC, at least when the stadium was built the measurement was front door to front door, and Annunciation "moved" its main entrance to accommodate the stadium. Again IIRC that's when Annunciation's fencing on that side went up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Sorry about the repetition - the "submit" button wasn't responding as it normally does. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amlaham Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 https://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/03-10-22-jackson-st-bbq-closed-bill-floyd-greg-gatlin-bryan-caswell/ Jackson St BBQ is closing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Quote the Astros need for additional parking Why would they need additional parking? They just built a new lot on top of the bones of one of the only bars next to the stadium, and now they’re going knock down one of the only businesses on that side of downtown for more parking? if that’s an actual reason that’s ridiculous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, cspwal said: Why would they need additional parking? They just built a new lot on top of the bones of one of the only bars next to the stadium, and now they’re going knock down one of the only businesses on that side of downtown for more parking? if that’s an actual reason that’s ridiculous Maybe they are preparing for the loss of lot B and C when the IH45 re-route begins? Those 2 lots have a bunch of parking spots. Edited March 12, 2022 by hindesky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, cspwal said: Why would they need additional parking? They just built a new lot on top of the bones of one of the only bars next to the stadium, and now they’re going knock down one of the only businesses on that side of downtown for more parking? if that’s an actual reason that’s ridiculous No it's just the writer assuming. I honestly believe Crane prob didn't want to renew their lease on the property. He's already said he wants development all around the ballpark on all sides. Edited March 12, 2022 by j_cuevas713 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatguysly Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 It'll probably just be temporarily used as parking until they start construction at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hindesky Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 While reading an article in the Miami Standard News with an interview with Jim Crane, this little tidbit caught my eye. "Crane talks about the change in downtown, with condos and apartments replacing vacant buildings and homes. They plan to build a hotel and have their own entertainment village “becoming more Chicago-esque than it ever has been in the past." https://miamistandard.news/2022/05/10/as-astros-continue-to-thrive-owner-jim-crane-has-advice-for-other-cheaters-id-keep-my-mouth-shut/?amp=1 14 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUCAJUN Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, hindesky said: While reading an article in the Miami Standard News with an interview with Jim Crane, this little tidbit caught my eye. "Crane talks about the change in downtown, with condos and apartments replacing vacant buildings and homes. They plan to build a hotel and have their own entertainment village “becoming more Chicago-esque than it ever has been in the past." https://miamistandard.news/2022/05/10/as-astros-continue-to-thrive-owner-jim-crane-has-advice-for-other-cheaters-id-keep-my-mouth-shut/?amp=1 A hotel? I wonder what brand he could attract? I bet it gets built before that W hotel does. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CREguy13 Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, hindesky said: While reading an article in the Miami Standard News with an interview with Jim Crane, this little tidbit caught my eye. "Crane talks about the change in downtown, with condos and apartments replacing vacant buildings and homes. They plan to build a hotel and have their own entertainment village “becoming more Chicago-esque than it ever has been in the past." https://miamistandard.news/2022/05/10/as-astros-continue-to-thrive-owner-jim-crane-has-advice-for-other-cheaters-id-keep-my-mouth-shut/?amp=1 I was at a breakfast last week where Crane was the keynote. He briefly mentioned their plans and stated a hotel, a lot of entertainment/retail, and possibly high-rise apartments were a part of the plan. I'm excited about the fact he owns several other lots all around the ball park for future phases. This will be a very active part of downtown in the next couple years. Hopefully they release the official plans soon. Edited May 11, 2022 by CREguy13 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, CREguy13 said: I was at a breakfast week where Crane way the keynote. He briefly mentioned their plans then too and that a hotel, a lot of entertainment/retail, and possibly high-rise apartments were a part of the plan. I'm excited about the fact he owns several other lots all around the ball park for future phases. This will be a very active part of downtown in the next couple years. Hopefully they release the official plans soon. Possibly high-rise apartments? I would certainly think so... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerNut Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 13 hours ago, HOUCAJUN said: A hotel? I wonder what brand he could attract? I bet it gets built before that W hotel does. Maybe a Kimpton since Caydon Laneways deal didn't materialize or maybe a Grand Haytt... All the other brands I can think of are too high end or already represented in Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 hours ago, CREguy13 said: I was at a breakfast last week where Crane was the keynote. He briefly mentioned their plans and stated a hotel, a lot of entertainment/retail, and possibly high-rise apartments were a part of the plan. I'm excited about the fact he owns several other lots all around the ball park for future phases. This will be a very active part of downtown in the next couple years. Hopefully they release the official plans soon. What other lots does he own? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) On 5/11/2022 at 1:28 PM, BeerNut said: Maybe a Kimpton since Caydon Laneways deal didn't materialize or maybe a Grand Haytt... All the other brands I can think of are too high end or already represented in Houston. Edition Sheraton Marriott (not Marquis) Delta Edit: removed Le Meridien; I forgot we already have one in the CBD Design Hotels Renaissance Four Points Conrad Canopy Signia Doubletree Tapestry Tempo Motto Intercontinental Six Senses Regent Vignette Crowne Plaza Avid Radisson Blu Red Radisson Park Hyatt Andaz Hyatt Centric Caption by Hyatt JdV by Hyatt Unbound Collection by Hyatt Standard Hotels Edit: add Loews Edit: add Omni Edit: add Royal Sonesta Edit: add Sonesta Edit: add Sonesta Select Edit: add Sonesta ES Suites Edit: add Sonesta Simply Suites Edited May 15, 2022 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 He'd be insane to not build residential immediately. That gives me pause. The last thing we need is another Green Street. I cannot believe those morons nixed the residential component and went with an boutique office building instead. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 1:28 PM, BeerNut said: Maybe a Kimpton since Caydon Laneways deal didn't materialize or maybe a Grand Haytt... All the other brands I can think of are too high end or already represented in Houston. I’d think Hyatt Centric would also work for a smaller-scale hotel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Houston19514 said: Edition Sheraton Marriott (not Marquis) Delta Le Meridien Design Hotels Renaissance Four Points Conrad Canopy Signia Doubletree Tapestry Tempo Motto Intercontinental Six Senses Regent Vignette Crowne Plaza Avid Radisson Blu Red Radisson Park Hyatt Andaz Hyatt Centric Caption by Hyatt JdV by Hyatt Unbound Collection by Hyatt Standard Hotels I’ll buy you a drink at the rooftop bar of the Le Meridien Houston Downtown as soon as I recover from COVID, H19514. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asubrt Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Houston19514 said: Edition Sheraton Marriott (not Marquis) Delta Le Meridien Design Hotels Renaissance Four Points Conrad Canopy Signia Doubletree Tapestry Tempo Motto Intercontinental Six Senses Regent Vignette Crowne Plaza Avid Radisson Blu Red Radisson Park Hyatt Andaz Hyatt Centric Caption by Hyatt JdV by Hyatt Unbound Collection by Hyatt Standard Hotels A lot of those could theoretically fit, but I will literally go streaking on the field at Minute Maid Park during an Astros game if it was a Six Senses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amlaham Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 16 hours ago, KinkaidAlum said: He'd be insane to not build residential immediately. That gives me pause. The last thing we need is another Green Street. I cannot believe those morons nixed the residential component and went with an boutique office building instead. I completely agree, I think what our downtown is missing is more residents. Residents are ultimately better than tourists/ hotel users. A constant flow of people utilizing the food halls, Main Street, and other businesses in downtown. Obviously tourists are a plus, but they fluctuate based off the season and what events are in town (unlike residents). 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Amlaham said: I completely agree, I think what our downtown is missing is more residents. Residents are ultimately better than tourists/ hotel users. A constant flow of people utilizing the food halls, Main Street, and other businesses in downtown. Obviously tourists are a plus, but they fluctuate based off the season and what events are in town (unlike residents). Hotel guests are what? Probably 3-5 more times likely to eat out on a given night than a resident (for obvious reasons)? Convention business is also key to developing the tourism market. It’s fair to say a nice mix of both is essential—take a look at any city in that regard. Edited May 14, 2022 by mattyt36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatguysly Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 A mix is best. They could use a downtown bar scene by the stadiums. Right now you leave a Rockets or Astros game and go out by PNC or across downtown. If they build some mix use hotels/apts/condos with bars and restaurants on the bottom then you could draw crowds. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 10:47 AM, Amlaham said: I completely agree, I think what our downtown is missing is more residents. Residents are ultimately better than tourists/ hotel users. A constant flow of people utilizing the food halls, Main Street, and other businesses in downtown. Obviously tourists are a plus, but they fluctuate based off the season and what events are in town (unlike residents). Agree. We just have to keep building residential downtown. More residential will spur more mixed-use which will create more energy downtown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 10:45 PM, mattyt36 said: Hotel guests are what? Probably 3-5 more times likely to eat out on a given night than a resident (for obvious reasons)? Convention business is also key to developing the tourism market. It’s fair to say a nice mix of both is essential—take a look at any city in that regard. I tried to make this same point in regard to hotel vs. residential a few months ago and the chorus of respondents said that residents would have better taste in where to eat out than hotel guests. Shrug. I agree, a mix of both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/12/2022 at 6:15 PM, KinkaidAlum said: He'd be insane to not build residential immediately. That gives me pause. The last thing we need is another Green Street. I cannot believe those morons nixed the residential component and went with an boutique office building instead. At the time, there was no modern precedent for new residential construction downtown. Marvy Finger's One Park Place was in process of development in a much better location, and even Gerald Hines gave Finger credit for "creating a market" where few thought one could exist. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Didn't Randall Davis, with the Rice conversion to Residential, along with a few other pave the way before Fingers? Plus, how many here remember the once proposed residential high rise on the block on Main that used to house a suburban style McDonalds? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, H-Town Man said: I tried to make this same point in regard to hotel vs. residential a few months ago and the chorus of respondents said that residents would have better taste in where to eat out than hotel guests. Shrug. I agree, a mix of both. On top of that basic fact, does anyone have any idea of how many residential units downtown are rented/owned as second home "pied-à-terres"? I know it at least used to be a significant enough thing at One Park Place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn173 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 A bunch of newer stadiums are going towards the entertainment adjacent commercial hub, moving away from the older stadium surrounded by parking. But from what I've seen, the Cardinals and Texas Rangers and Diamondbacks etc set up is very game day centric. They tend to be as almost empty other times. But the San Diego Petco Stadium is very interesting. Very little stadium parking and adjacent to an existing entertainment district. Even the Tony Gwynn Park shifts from a neighborhood park to part of the stadium with the opening and closing of gates. So it is available to the community. I hope whatever Crane does is not just a Minute Made asset, but is a city asset. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Something more like the Nationals' set up in DC would be nice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 43 minutes ago, Brooklyn173 said: A bunch of newer stadiums are going towards the entertainment adjacent commercial hub, moving away from the older stadium surrounded by parking. But from what I've seen, the Cardinals and Texas Rangers and Diamondbacks etc set up is very game day centric. They tend to be as almost empty other times. I was in Phoenix a month ago, luckily when the Astros were there, so I saw the Chase Field setup, which I didn't remember from before. Do those essentially just operate as outside-of-the-park concessions owned by the team? If so, yes, please, none of that. The Reds stadium has some decent stuff around it. Seems like the proximity to the Convention Center should help bring year-round foot traffic. And, knowing Tilman to be the competitive guy he is, hopefully he'd do something for the Toyota Center, with the caveat that he doesn't own any of the surrounding land, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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