cspwal Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 How about they replace the large surface lots that are mostly zoo parking with underground garages and put more park and zoo on top of them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/6/2019 at 10:28 AM, cspwal said: How about they replace the large surface lots that are mostly zoo parking with underground garages and put more park and zoo on top of them? Underground garages in a large park would attract undesirables and would not appeal to many visitors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, H-Town Man said: Underground garages in a large park would attract undesirables and would not appeal to many visitors. Does not seem to be a issue for Discovery Green. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Fortune said: Does not seem to be a issue for Discovery Green. Not a large park. Small and high volume. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 hours ago, H-Town Man said: Underground garages in a large park would attract undesirables and would not appeal to many visitors. How many underground garages have you heard of this problem? Most underground garages have private security guards. I've even been to the downtown public library, the mecca of homeless people wandering, and I've never seen one of them down there or heard of any problems in the underground parking garage there. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Before we start grading the golf course land, perhaps someone should ask: Does the zoo WANT more land? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Triton said: How many underground garages have you heard of this problem? Most underground garages have private security guards. I've even been to the downtown public library, the mecca of homeless people wandering, and I've never seen one of them down there or heard of any problems in the underground parking garage there. How many underground garages have you heard of in large parks? Your second sentence answers your first. If this problem did not exist, then garages would not need to hire private security guards. Private security is expensive and is not undertaken unless necessary. Downtown library is forced to go this route by their small land size. I should note that "undesirables" in my earlier comment did not primarily mean "homeless." I am generally a pro-homeless person. I am also pro-underground garage (in high density, high traffic areas), fwiw. Edited September 9, 2019 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Houston19514 said: Before we start grading the golf course land, perhaps someone should ask: Does the zoo WANT more land? I imagine they would, in the long term if not the short term. They are on the small side for zoos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, H-Town Man said: I imagine they would, in the long term if not the short term. They are on the small side for zoos. If so, one would think they would let that be known to the people in charge of Hermann Park master planning. There is no hint of any desire to expand the Zoo in the Hermann Park Master Plan, and there doesn't seem to be anything about expansion in the Zoo's own 20-year master plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, H-Town Man said: How many underground garages have you heard of in large parks? Your second sentence answers your first. If this problem did not exist, then garages would not need to hire private security guards. Private security is expensive and is not undertaken unless necessary. Downtown library is forced to go this route by their small land size. I should note that "undesirables" in my earlier comment did not primarily mean "homeless." I am generally a pro-homeless person. I am also pro-underground garage (in high density, high traffic areas), fwiw. Boston Common and Grant Park come to mind. I think they already have security patrols in the existing surface parking lots. Per your earlier post, the Zoo alone attracts 2.5 million visitors per year, plus the rest of the park including Miller Outdoor Theatre attract millions of visitors every year... sounds like a pretty high-traffic area. FWIW, the Hermann Park Master Plan includes the transformation of the large surface parking lots in the Park Center into "a new play landscape built over and concealing a single-story at-grade parking garage. The project also creates new arrival landscapes for the Park, the zoo, and Miller Outdoor Theatre." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Houston19514 said: If so, one would think they would let that be known to the people in charge of Hermann Park master planning. There is no hint of any desire to expand the Zoo in the Hermann Park Master Plan, and there doesn't seem to be anything about expansion in the Zoo's own 20-year master plan. I guess the fact that the zoo doesn't come out and say "we would like to expand into the golf course" must mean that they are not ever interested in expanding. Because if they were interested in someday expanding, in the long term if not the short term, I am sure they would just come right out today and say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Houston19514 said: Boston Common and Grant Park come to mind. I think they already have security patrols in the existing surface parking lots. Per your earlier post, the Zoo alone attracts 2.5 million visitors per year, plus the rest of the park including Miller Outdoor Theatre attract millions of visitors every year... sounds like a pretty high-traffic area. FWIW, the Hermann Park Master Plan includes the transformation of the large surface parking lots in the Park Center into "a new play landscape built over and concealing a single-story at-grade parking garage. The project also creates new arrival landscapes for the Park, the zoo, and Miller Outdoor Theatre." Still think a below-grade garage in Hermann Park wouldn't be appealing, but it sounds like they're making it at grade somehow. Edited September 9, 2019 by H-Town Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, H-Town Man said: How many underground garages have you heard of in large parks? https://www.q-park.co.uk/en-gb/cities/london/park-lane/ It's in Europe, so it has to be a great idea! They do everything better there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, gmac said: https://www.q-park.co.uk/en-gb/cities/london/park-lane/ It's in Europe, so it has to be a great idea! They do everything better there. The three exceptions that have been cited seem if anything to prove the rule that underground garages are pretty rare in large parks. I think that a significant portion of park users would rather not unload the kids, the dog, and the cooler in an underground concrete cave and then carry them up an elevator or concrete stairwell to the surface. This could just be my outdated mindset. I also think that the people managing the park would rather not pay for the additional security. It is more likely to me that if the zoo ever expands, it will be into the golf course or the land to the east of Ben Taub. But maybe we will join the Chicagos and Londons of the world and build a vast underground garage. Edited September 9, 2019 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, H-Town Man said: If this problem did not exist, then garages would not need to hire private security guards. Private security is expensive and is not undertaken unless necessary. That is a completely false statement. Private security can be found everywhere across town whether the property owners want it or not. I've been to parking garages across town for certain things related to CBRE, particularly areas like Memorial City and Katy where there is not any noticeable homeless population (except the guy with the bent leg at the Gessner/I10 intersection) and all of those parking garages have security. There aren't any high break in rates but they provide security for a sense of calm and safety for their customers and patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Triton said: That is a completely false statement. Private security can be found everywhere across town whether the property owners want it or not. I've been to parking garages across town for certain things related to CBRE, particularly areas like Memorial City and Katy where there is not any noticeable homeless population (except the guy with the bent leg at the Gessner/I10 intersection) and all of those parking garages have security. There aren't any high break in rates but they provide security for a sense of calm and safety for their customers and patients. Ok, it's completely false. I just don't care very much about this. I don't have any problem with an underground garage in Hermann Park, just don't think it will happen for reasons stated. You can have the last word if you want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I remember reading this a few years back. I’m glad I was able to locate the article. The Zoo does want to expand just not in its current area. “And he wishes for a satellite zoo outside the city. Already, more than 2.4 million guests visit the zoo annually. "We do remarkably well with our 55 acres, but we need more space," he says. He mentions San Diego, which has a 100-acre zoo in the city and another 1,800 acres in the suburbs. "Think of a wild animal park - a safari park - that would allow for more conservation and more breeding." https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/New-Houston-Zoo-CEO-takes-a-walk-on-the-wild-side-6746267.php 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Fortune said: I remember reading this a few years back. I’m glad I was able to locate the article. The Zoo does want to expand just not in its current area. “And he wishes for a satellite zoo outside the city. Already, more than 2.4 million guests visit the zoo annually. "We do remarkably well with our 55 acres, but we need more space," he says. He mentions San Diego, which has a 100-acre zoo in the city and another 1,800 acres in the suburbs. "Think of a wild animal park - a safari park - that would allow for more conservation and more breeding." https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/New-Houston-Zoo-CEO-takes-a-walk-on-the-wild-side-6746267.php So we can put to bed the idea of expanding on to the golf course or elsewhere into Hermann Park 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H-Town Man Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 On 9/9/2019 at 3:59 PM, Houston19514 said: So we can put to bed the idea of expanding on to the golf course or elsewhere into Hermann Park The quote clarifies that they need more space and it mentions that they would like a satellite park. It does not say that they wouldn't want to expand within Hermann Park if space were available. They are not going to come out and say, "We sure would like some of that golf course land." It would set off a political hornet's nest. There are really few institutions of any kind that would not want to acquire adjacent land if it were available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Houston Zoo Office & Garage at 1513 Cambridge Building "L" was in permitting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicole23 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 so, can someone please explain fully to me the terms and conditions of using your lone star card to get into the zoo for free? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.33 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 @nicole23 I believe it is 6$ now. Here is more information at the Zoo's Website: https://www.houstonzoo.org/plan-your-visit/prices-and-discounts/lone-star/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 The Galapagos turtle exhibit his expensive. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 9/9/2019 at 3:59 PM, Houston19514 said: So we can put to bed the idea of expanding on to the golf course or elsewhere into Hermann Park Woah this is awesome!!! That would be a major tourist attraction! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Surprise find of the day, the shortest tower crane ever. It's being used to build the Galapagos Island. Damn train got in my pic so I had to take another. https://www.houstonzoo.org/blog/launching-2022-new-zoo/ 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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august948 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, hindesky said: 'Cause ya know ya gotta build them walls high to keep those darn turtles in... ;) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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