rechlin Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 It's a difficult situation. I have spent a small fortune on photographic equipment and my income relies on copyright protection, and I understand the situation there. But at the same time, when someone posts photos here and then later deletes them, it's harmful to the community. A big feature of this site is serving as a historic record of construction projects and their progress. You can't just go out and take a photo to replace one that someone else deleted, because things have changed since then. So the photos are irreplaceable. At the same time, I don't know about anyone else, but for me, if someone has already taken photos of a project at a given point in time to post here, I'm not going to waste time doing it again, since someone else already did it. I already lost a lot of interest in taking time to post photos here after an earlier incident where a moderator deleted a bunch of threads made by someone else, some of which had many photos that I had taken and didn't want removed, so I'm certainly not going to take pictures of a construction project the same week someone else did, since there is minimal extra value in that -- and when I do post photos here I generally only use quick cell phone shots because I don't want to put much effort into something that someone might delete. But when someone deletes photos they have taken, that removes it from the historic record, and there's no way anyone who was dissuaded from taking the photos can go back in time to that point to retake them themselves. It's better to have never had the photos taken in the first place than to have them taken and then deleted, gone forever. IMHO if there is going to be a rule against reposting deleted photos, there should also be a rule against systemic deletion of one's own photos due to how much it breaks the social contract. With social-media sites, it's pretty much universal that posting content grants an irrevocable license to the site to continue to distribute that content in perpetuity, and that probably should be the rule here too (admittedly, this site does not mention anything about this in its well-hidden terms-and-conditions page), which would allow lost photos to be restored. If one doesn't want their photos to stay on this site, in my opinion, they shouldn't post them to this site in the first place. The Wayback Machine already keeps these photos and publishes them online for anyone, if it crawled the thread in time, so reposting deleted photos is no more illegal than what the Wayback Machine does. I don't know whether that means it's illegal or not. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbg.50 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 49 minutes ago, rechlin said: It's a difficult situation. I have spent a small fortune on photographic equipment and my income relies on copyright protection, and I understand the situation there. But at the same time, when someone posts photos here and then later deletes them, it's harmful to the community. A big feature of this site is serving as a historic record of construction projects and their progress. You can't just go out and take a photo to replace one that someone else deleted, because things have changed since then. So the photos are irreplaceable. At the same time, I don't know about anyone else, but for me, if someone has already taken photos of a project at a given point in time to post here, I'm not going to waste time doing it again, since someone else already did it. I already lost a lot of interest in taking time to post photos here after an earlier incident where a moderator deleted a bunch of threads made by someone else, some of which had many photos that I had taken and didn't want removed, so I'm certainly not going to take pictures of a construction project the same week someone else did, since there is minimal extra value in that -- and when I do post photos here I generally only use quick cell phone shots because I don't want to put much effort into something that someone might delete. But when someone deletes photos they have taken, that removes it from the historic record, and there's no way anyone who was dissuaded from taking the photos can go back in time to that point to retake them themselves. It's better to have never had the photos taken in the first place than to have them taken and then deleted, gone forever. IMHO if there is going to be a rule against reposting deleted photos, there should also be a rule against systemic deletion of one's own photos due to how much it breaks the social contract. With social-media sites, it's pretty much universal that posting content grants an irrevocable license to the site to continue to distribute that content in perpetuity, and that probably should be the rule here too (admittedly, this site does not mention anything about this in its well-hidden terms-and-conditions page), which would allow lost photos to be restored. If one doesn't want their photos to stay on this site, in my opinion, they shouldn't post them to this site in the first place. The Wayback Machine already keeps these photos and publishes them online for anyone, if it crawled the thread in time, so reposting deleted photos is no more illegal than what the Wayback Machine does. I don't know whether that means it's illegal or not. You make good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 8 hours ago, rechlin said: But at the same time, when someone posts photos here and then later deletes them, it's harmful to the community. A big feature of this site is serving as a historic record of construction projects and their progress. You can't just go out and take a photo to replace one that someone else deleted, because things have changed since then. So the photos are irreplaceable. At the same time, I don't know about anyone else, but for me, if someone has already taken photos of a project at a given point in time to post here, I'm not going to waste time doing it again, since someone else already did it. I already lost a lot of interest in taking time to post photos here after an earlier incident where a moderator deleted a bunch of threads made by someone else, some of which had many photos that I had taken and didn't want removed, so I'm certainly not going to take pictures of a construction project the same week someone else did, since there is minimal extra value in that -- and when I do post photos here I generally only use quick cell phone shots because I don't want to put much effort into something that someone might delete. But when someone deletes photos they have taken, that removes it from the historic record, and there's no way anyone who was dissuaded from taking the photos can go back in time to that point to retake them themselves. It's better to have never had the photos taken in the first place than to have them taken and then deleted, gone forever. IMHO if there is going to be a rule against reposting deleted photos, there should also be a rule against systemic deletion of one's own photos due to how much it breaks the social contract. With social-media sites, it's pretty much universal that posting content grants an irrevocable license to the site to continue to distribute that content in perpetuity, and that probably should be the rule here too (admittedly, this site does not mention anything about this in its well-hidden terms-and-conditions page), which would allow lost photos to be restored. If one doesn't want their photos to stay on this site, in my opinion, they shouldn't post them to this site in the first place. Couldn't have said it better myself., @rechlin. It's disappointing Cityliving chose to delete all the great photos he shared. His dedication in documenting many of this city's new development and buildings were and still are invaluable. I hope he will continue to do so, even if he decides to publish his photos elsewhere (I know he'll see this because he still visits this forum several times almost every day, but chooses not to contribute as he did before.) However, Cityliving's constant deletions - which seem to come across as revenge for not receiving as much praise or likes as another user - are problematic for the reasons you described. I realize the revenge motive is speculation on my part. Still, it appears to be a pattern. He'll post something negative about another user's drone photos or not feeling appreciated. Afterwards, he goes on a mass deletion spree as if it's his way of punishing the entire forum. Furthermore, I agree with your position regarding "a big feature of this site is serving as a historic record of construction projects and their progress." Sure, many of us like visiting the site to post or view recent content relating to current project. But that's only one of this forum's driving forces. There are just as many people who visit this site to see developments from their planning stages to their construction phase, and the completed project. Some also find it interesting seeing what may have been planned for a property before or previous occupants. This is why older content, be it posts, PDF files, and photos, are as important as current content on this forum. I don't get why certain members of this site refuse to see the value in that (I'm saying this based off another topic on the forum where some complained there is no need for older content.) Lots of people use this forum for many reasons. From what I've observed, there are many who utilize this forum as a reference tool or an archive. I've come across countless social media posts and online forums sharing older content from this forum. The content is used to highlight what may have been built before, previous occupants, demolitions, construction phases, and so forth. Also, let's not forget, many of this city's journalists, bloggers, or those whose social media focuses on architecture, construction, transportation, and real estate (like WalkingHouston) constantly visit this forum. Many of them use current and past content in their research or report what has been discussed or shared here. Edited April 15 by IntheKnowHouston 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 A few points: Cityliving is within his rights to delete his images. They're his. Yes, it harms the community, but the law doesn't recognize harm to HAIF. It does recognize copyright infringement. Yes, it is possible for a photographer to get money out of an organization for infringement. I've paid the rent a number of times that way. You just have to know how to do it. Complaining on social media is no different than going into your closet and shouting at your shoes. Cityliving doesn't have "constant" deletions. He hasn't posted anything since February. His black boxes will be memories soon enough, as the threads move on. I'll let the moderators know they can remove the images if they come across them. But there's over half-a-million posts on HAIF, so a dragnet is not reasonable. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanize713 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Can his posts also just be banned moing forward to save us all the trouble? Seeking unbridled adulation is not the same as other members that are trying to add to the site with pictures, information, and even heated deates at times. Been on HAIF for over a decade and can't recall another member acting in such a childish manner. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 20 minutes ago, urbanize713 said: Can his posts also just be banned moing forward to save us all the trouble? Seeking unbridled adulation is not the same as other members that are trying to add to the site with pictures, information, and even heated deates at times. Been on HAIF for over a decade and can't recall another member acting in such a childish manner. There's no need to ban him from posting, as he hasn't posted anything since February. He's self-censoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntheKnowHouston Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 8 hours ago, editor said: Cityliving doesn't have "constant" deletions. He hasn't posted anything since February. His black boxes will be memories soon enough, as the threads move on. With all due respect, Cityliving does constantly delete his images. Constantly, as all of us know, is defined as "with regular occurrence." The person does exactly this. It's not only my observation, but @rechlin's, and several other members who have posted about his actions in a number of topics where there are pages filled with Cityliving's deleted images. You may not be aware of it, but it doesn't make it any less so. Many of us regulars see this pattern of his over and over: Makes rude comments about one specific user's drone shots, complains about not being valued when he receives backlash for his comments or not enough likes, then deletes his images from Imgur. Rinse and repeat. To that point, Cityliving is free to do whatever he wishes with his photos. Many members appreciate his contributions. However, we also feel shafted each time he takes his anger out on the entire forum by removing his photos en masse whenever he feels unappreciated. To my understanding, that's not the spirit of this forum. I'll leave it at that and won't derail this topic any further. Edited April 16 by IntheKnowHouston 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I received this message from Cityliving this morning, and asked me to share it: Quote My photographs are copyrighted and anyone who copies them or posts them without my permission will be fined, my lawyers will be notifying anyone who does so, I work with construction companies who have projects on this site who asked me not to post my drone photographs on this site because they pay me to do work for them and that is why I removed my photographs. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidCenturyMoldy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 OK. This works. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidCenturyMoldy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 😆 at the private message I just received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 004n063 Posted April 16 Popular Post Share Posted April 16 So this is gunna be a pretty neat building, eh fellas? 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrohip Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 On 4/16/2024 at 5:55 PM, 004n063 said: So this is gunna be a pretty neat building, eh fellas? I drove by it Saturday going to the Art Car Parade, first time I'd been by it since maybe last year's parade? Wow, what a magnificent edifice! Can't wait to see it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post classic Posted April 28 Popular Post Share Posted April 28 March construction photos from The.Ismaili - visit link for more: https://the.ismaili/usa/march-2024-ismaili-center-construction-update March video update - includes a voice over that provides some specific milestones: 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post classic Posted May 10 Popular Post Share Posted May 10 Also from Farshid's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6wJkbNogyS/ 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 ^^^ my goodness, this ginormous project is not slated to be completed until (2025). yet, it is already becoming elegant and breathtaking. props for the illustration @classic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classic Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On 5/10/2024 at 12:37 AM, monarch said: props for the illustration @classic Thank-you Monarch! Here is the May construction update video. Sound on for update details: 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 looking impressive on a human level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 6/7/2024 at 12:15 AM, classic said: Thank-you Monarch! Here is the May construction update video. Sound on for update details: “the perimeter wall stretching along Montrose and W. Dallas..” 🫠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hbg.50 Posted June 27 Popular Post Share Posted June 27 Not the best picture, but taken today driving south on Montrose... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbg.50 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 This is the view I'm looking forward to with the Museum District in the background. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Purdueenginerd Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 On 5/9/2024 at 10:18 PM, hindesky said: Offtopic, but building engineers need to be better about consolidating, digitizing, and backing up their drawings. Surprised to see this set up for a large building under construction in 2024. Dont know how many renovation projects I've done over the years that require me to shuffle through torn/damaged, poorly organized hard copies in the basement of the building, I could create my own instagram account of bad organization tragedies of old drawings! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangledwoods Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Quote Offtopic, but building engineers need to be better about consolidating, digitizing, and backing up their drawings. Surprised to see this set up for a large building under construction in 2024. Dont know how many renovation projects I've done over the years that require me to shuffle through torn/damaged, poorly organized hard copies in the basement of the building, I could create my own instagram account of bad organization tragedies of old drawings! COH still typically requires a physical set for permit / inspections. Almost all projects these days have digital as-built turnover requirements. We dont even give the physical plans to our clients anymore because we dont post them with all the RFI's (those are handled in the digital set) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hindesky Posted July 21 Popular Post Share Posted July 21 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 It's nice to see most of the trees standing erect and no damage to the building. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) well, just now catching up on this thread because the name didn't interest me and had no idea this was THAT building i kept seeing...but dang, yeah the thread could be cleaned up for sure! yikes! ps...who needs CityLiving when we have @hindesky and @Highrise Tower and others posting all their awesome photos anyway ;) ps...cool building and can't wait to see the final results! Edited July 22 by gene 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 after finally catching up on this darn thread i am realizing that this has as much drama as a show on Bravo! wowsa...having said that though, i think it is pretty interesting that this will be the gateway to Montrose...times are definitely changing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbg.50 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 24 minutes ago, gene said: after finally catching up on this darn thread i am realizing that this has as much drama as a show on Bravo! wowsa...having said that though, i think it is pretty interesting that this will be the gateway to Montrose...times are definitely changing. There has been no drama with this building. Are you referring to the Montrose Boulevard proposal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, hbg.50 said: There has been no drama with this building. Are you referring to the Montrose Boulevard proposal? oh no...some of the post... i started from page 1 on... haha and plus the latest photo deletions so not the building, this thread about the building and photos etc ;) however, your questioning does make me want to ask why Rich's didn't consider putting a rooftop bar and club on top of this with those amazing views!!!!! 🤣 Edited July 23 by gene 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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